Isle of Cynder

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Tue 25 Sep, 2012 8:10 pm

I think this is one of the most used images of King's Mills but have found new description of it's geography and alignment. cant find description now]

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 25 Sep, 2012 9:32 pm

Here you go Jogon, I've simplified it the best I can.I must admit this photo has always had me wondering where about it is, so it was about time I studied the map and got it sorted in my head It looks as if your photographer stood where the x is marked on Swinegate overlooking the Kings Mill (mill pond?) The Tenter Lane Bridge is marked in black, with Concordia Mills behind. Notice the small triangular shaped building next to the Tenter Lane bridge, you can clearly see it on your 1890's photo.And give or take a few feet this is the rough area where it all was today. The Kings mill itself standing roughly on the spot where Bibis restaurant/casino is today.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 25 Sep, 2012 9:43 pm

And this should roughly be looking in the other direction to where the photographer stood.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:08 pm

Phill Really helpful.So photographer stood on the bridge we can see. And uncle M has identified the known firm mentioned in the leodis text/by the arches in the background.One problem I have (perhaps with nostalgia-fest, rose tinted specs) is that the sepia 1890 - 1908 pics make the place look so big.But I sometimes park there of a Saturday if going into town. And the whole place looks small.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:20 pm

Jogon wrote: Phill Really helpful.So photographer stood on the bridge we can see. And uncle M has identified the known firm mentioned in the leodis text/by the arches in the background.One problem I have (perhaps with nostalgia-fest, rose tinted specs) is that the sepia 1890 - 1908 pics make the place look so big.But I sometimes park there of a Saturday if going into town. And the whole place looks small. Yes you got it, the railway arches you can see should be two of thesehttp://goo.gl/maps/cvBr9And that's roughly where the photographer would have stood.As for the space, I think the old photos with lots of buildings crammed together often give the illusion of a big space, but when you flatten them it seems somehow smaller perhaps.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 25 Sep, 2012 10:28 pm

The small building next to the arches is the old brass works here.You can see the gable end runs at 45 degree angles on both photo and map. The Kings Mill Chimney is visible on both too.

somme1916 · Post by **somme1916** » Tue 25 Sep, 2012 11:15 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: Jogon wrote: Phill Really helpful.So photographer stood on the bridge we can see. And uncle M has identified the known firm mentioned in the leodis text/by the arches in the background.One problem I have (perhaps with nostalgia-fest, rose tinted specs) is that the sepia 1890 - 1908 pics make the place look so big.But I sometimes park there of a Saturday if going into town. And the whole place looks small. Yes you got it, the railway arches you can see should be two of thesehttp://goo.gl/maps/cvBr9And that's roughly where the photographer would have stood.As for the space, I think the old photos with lots of buildings crammed together often give the illusion of a big space, but when you flatten them it seems somehow smaller perhaps. Of all the SL threads,I find this one of the most interesting.....it's obvious many are passionate about this area of Leeds,now gone,yet still remembered and providing much fascination for SL posters....some of the posts on here are gems and to be appreciated for the time and effort taken in posting them.Thanks guys.

buffaloskinner · Post by **buffaloskinner** » Tue 25 Sep, 2012 11:24 pm

The two arches in the last photo are now the entrance and exit to the NCP multi story car park

jim · Post by **jim** » Wed 26 Sep, 2012 12:54 am

The area shown as "Leeds Old Brass Works" in Phill's post above was still a brass works in the late 1950s/early 1960s operating under the name of Sarah Dixon's. I occasionally visited it in connection with my work.The area of the Isle of Cynder is marked on many twentieth century maps as "School Close". Another site I worked at was "School Close Mills", a collection of old buildings mostly used for small businesses. This was on the other side of Neville Street, bounded by the Co-op coal wharf, the river, and the station. Does anybody know the derivation of the name "School Close", or anything about the presumably previous mill at the site across Neville Street, such as type, dates, purpose, or power source?

BarFly · Post by **BarFly** » Wed 26 Sep, 2012 1:12 am

somme1916 wrote: Of all the SL threads,I find this one of the most interesting.....it's obvious many are passionate about this area of Leeds,now gone,yet still remembered and providing much fascination for SL posters....some of the posts on here are gems and to be appreciated for the time and effort taken in posting them.Thanks guys. I was about to post pretty much the same thing. This thread has been fascinating and every time I am in the area of the Isle of Cynder I wonder what it would have looked like back when it was an island.Thanks for all the research and information guys.