Dialect/slang

Caron · Post by **Caron** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 8:53 pm

somme1916 wrote: HelenG wrote: Caron wrote: Thank you for your replies. It does seems to me a complicated way of teaching/learning it though.And.... I don't know anyone who uses the term "Fortnight". It's always "Two weeks". Mind you, when you look at the word, Fortnight, it's a strange word to describe 2 weeks. Looks german too. I do! and the older generation always pronounced it "fot nit" Yes,I know plenty of people who use it too.Logically,it just looks like an abbreviated version of fourteen nights......? (without an upward inflexion at the end). Very good, somme1916

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 9:25 pm

There is a letter in this mornings YMP decrying the lack of "reet" Yorkshire accents in Emmerdale and the general lack of proper pronunciation.I haven't water Emmerdale for years, but even back then it seemed the producers had given up and decided that any remotely 'Northern' accent would do...Mancs, Lancs, Geordies, Smoggies you name it... Heaven forbid an actor should attempt to portray any voice other than their own.

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 9:45 pm

raveydavey wrote: There is a letter in this mornings YMP decrying the lack of "reet" Yorkshire accents in Emmerdale and the general lack of proper pronunciation.I haven't water Emmerdale for years, but even back then it seemed the producers had given up and decided that any remotely 'Northern' accent would do...Mancs, Lancs, Geordies, Smoggies you name it... Heaven forbid an actor should attempt to portray any voice other than their own. Unfortunately Ravey,not many people speak proper dialect these days.My Dad who was born in Otley worked down 3 pits in the Leeds area and he had a real accent ,full of thee,thou's and 'ee by gums. But that way of speaking seems to have gradually disappeared within the last 50 years as people have got more educated don't you think?

book · Post by **book** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 9:46 pm

I suppose it's about right now with the mobility and diversity. Accents are mixed up and the three ridings accents almost changed for good.

Caron · Post by **Caron** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 9:48 pm

Well....I can honestly say I find some of the Yorkshire accents absolutely dire on Emmerdale. I mean, Chas sounds as thick as a brick and in all my years of living in yorkshire I have never known anyone speak as she does. The programme makes me cringe.Coronation Street seems devoid of the Lancashire accent.Eastenders certainly retains the London twang but even my friend who's a Londoner says they put the accent on too much.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 9:48 pm

HelenG wrote: Caron wrote: Thank you for your replies. It does seems to me a complicated way of teaching/learning it though.And.... I don't know anyone who uses the term "Fortnight". It's always "Two weeks". Mind you, when you look at the word, Fortnight, it's a strange word to describe 2 weeks. Looks german too. I do! and the older generation always pronounced it "fot nit" We had a short lived work venture in America and one of my colleagues asked the locals to provide a substantial report in a 'fortnight. It was on his desk the next morning, the poor dears having worked through the night to get done. Turned out they didn't know what he meant.

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 9:49 pm

stutterdog wrote: raveydavey wrote: There is a letter in this mornings YMP decrying the lack of "reet" Yorkshire accents in Emmerdale and the general lack of proper pronunciation.I haven't water Emmerdale for years, but even back then it seemed the producers had given up and decided that any remotely 'Northern' accent would do...Mancs, Lancs, Geordies, Smoggies you name it... Heaven forbid an actor should attempt to portray any voice other than their own. Unfortunately Ravey,not many people speak proper dialect these days.My Dad who was born in Otley worked down 3 pits in the Leeds area and he had a real accent ,full of thee,thou's and 'ee by gums. But that way of speaking seems to have gradually disappeared within the last 50 years as people have got more educated don't you think? It's an easy target, but television could be largely to blame rather than improved education - once upon a time all you would have heard were local accents for days or weeks on end. Now you're subjected to all sorts of mishmash from the dreaded mid-Atlantic, to estuary English, and worse with many kids spending more hours per day in front of the telly than we used to watch in a week... Hearing Nicola Adams and her pure, unadulterated Leeds accent has been a small joy this last couple of weeks.

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 10:34 pm

Caron wrote: Coronation Street seems devoid of the Lancashire accent. Largely but not entirely so Caron. Kevin Webster's Lancashire accent is pretty faultless all the time to be fair, and dear Rita's is also spot on, and Hayley's is pretty near. Most of the others are, as you say, hopelessly inaccurate and I'd have to award the prize for the worst to Audrey Roberts - just dreadful, especially how she pronounces her daughter's name "GAIRRL", and her late husband's "ALFAIR."I still like the programme though and the acting and scripts are generally very good - they cover emotive issues very well indeed and obviously research thoroughly to avoid causing distress or offence. Its a pretty good test of how convincing actors are when you actually hate the rotters and like the good 'uns.

somme1916 · Post by **somme1916** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 10:46 pm

raveydavey wrote: stutterdog wrote: raveydavey wrote: There is a letter in this mornings YMP decrying the lack of "reet" Yorkshire accents in Emmerdale and the general lack of proper pronunciation.I haven't water Emmerdale for years, but even back then it seemed the producers had given up and decided that any remotely 'Northern' accent would do...Mancs, Lancs, Geordies, Smoggies you name it... Heaven forbid an actor should attempt to portray any voice other than their own. Unfortunately Ravey,not many people speak proper dialect these days.My Dad who was born in Otley worked down 3 pits in the Leeds area and he had a real accent ,full of thee,thou's and 'ee by gums. But that way of speaking seems to have gradually disappeared within the last 50 years as people have got more educated don't you think? It's an easy target, but television could be largely to blame rather than improved education - once upon a time all you would have heard were local accents for days or weeks on end. Now you're subjected to all sorts of mishmash from the dreaded mid-Atlantic, to estuary English, and worse with many kids spending more hours per day in front of the telly than we used to watch in a week... Hearing Nicola Adams and her pure, unadulterated Leeds accent has been a small joy this last couple of weeks. Hear Hear,raveydavey........i'm very keen to keep the(Yorkshire) mother tongue alive and kicking 'n I wain't let 'owt get in me way.Been watching the Herriot All Creatures great etc....and it's very noticeable how they genuinely use the Yorkshire dialect in a programme produced by BBC Birmingham ! Albeit many moons ago.Funny innit ?

BarFly · Post by **BarFly** » Thu 23 Aug, 2012 11:43 pm

raveydavey wrote: Hearing Nicola Adams and her pure, unadulterated Leeds accent has been a small joy this last couple of weeks. I've not been watching the Olympics so I've not heard her. I like it when Nell McAndrew and Angela Griffin are on TV for the same reason. My accent's a little watered down, but anyone from Leeds would recognise me as a fellow Leodian.The earlier talk of "t't pub" and the like reminds me of the Michael McIntyre routine about "t'Lion, t'Witch and t'Wardrobe." and explaining to some Norwegian friends it should be more like "_Lion, _Witch n _Wardrobe" where the "_" is just a gap (or glottal stop, as I think it's known). Jeremy Clarkson, of all people, set the record straight on Top Gear by saying the "t" isn't pronounced but is sometimes a nod.As for Emmerdale the two people I've met from it speak on screen with pretty-much the same accents as they do day-to-day but with a little less emphasis on their regional accent, neither being from Yorkshire.