Isle of Cynder

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Tue 19 Jun, 2012 9:37 pm

I have reproduced here a scanned copy of a drawing titled 'Leeds Old Bridge and entrance to Briggate 1870' that is opposite page 562 in John Mayhall's 'Annals of Yorkshire' vol III. Even allowing for artistic licence the area immediately left of the small arch on the left does intrigue me. It is unclear (even in the drawing in the book) as to what it is but it does look like it could possibly be a water flow, with some people standing next to where the water runs into the River Aire. It is pure speculation on my part but I wonder if it could be representing an outflow of a goit, possibly even the Kingsmill goit. On the other hand it is probably just some ground for unloading and loading goods. I have posted it because I thought it may be of interest.

Si · Post by Si » Wed 20 Jun, 2012 12:43 pm

Leodian wrote: I have reproduced here a scanned copy of a drawing titled 'Leeds Old Bridge and entrance to Briggate 1870' that is opposite page 562 in John Mayhall's 'Annals of Yorkshire' vol III. Even allowing for artistic licence the area immediately left of the small arch on the left does intrigue me. It is unclear (even in the drawing in the book) as to what it is but it does look like it could possibly be a water flow, with some people standing next to where the water runs into the River Aire. It is pure speculation on my part but I wonder if it could be representing an outflow of a goit, possibly even the Kingsmill goit. On the other hand it is probably just some ground for unloading and loading goods. I have posted it because I thought it may be of interest. Hi Leodian. Nice find - it is of interest. Going by the 1847 (and 1815) map, I don't think it's an outflow. There appears to be a gap between the bridge and the buildings to it's left (as viewed), but (as you say) it is more probably a slip-way. On the drawing, there is a small dark building, and some standing figures, so it must be dry land. The artist has had a little trouble with his perspective, but not so bad that the "water" (where the slip way is) is on a steep slope! He just hasn't made the join between the land and the river very clear. (A bit like this post! )On the maps, there is an outflow a little further to the left, and a goit (the one that reaches the river further down stream) running left to right somewhere beyond the bridge abutment.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Wed 20 Jun, 2012 4:04 pm

Interesting.There are still a few images I haven't seen before and the obvious 'cynder'/'cinder' point may skew result

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Thu 21 Jun, 2012 11:49 pm

I have posted on page 2 an 1891 map showing the labelled 'Mill goit' on the eastern side of Leeds Bridge but I thought this enlargement of some of that Old-Maps UK map may be useful to this most interesting thread. It shows more clearly what are likely to be the steps from and to Call Lane that Jogon has previously provided information and photos. It also shows what may be some ways to cross over the goit.

buffaloskinner · Post by **buffaloskinner** » Fri 22 Jun, 2012 12:22 am

There are plenty of pictures of this goit and the steps herehttp://tinyurl.com/c5ohq64I do believe we have covered this before however

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Fri 22 Jun, 2012 12:35 am

buffaloskinner wrote: There are plenty of pictures of this goit and the steps herehttp://tinyurl.com/c5ohq64I do believe we have covered this before however Apologies for my post buffaloskinner. I thought I was being helpful to this thread. Will a mod please delete that post of mine date/timed at 21-Jun-2012 22:49:59

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Fri 22 Jun, 2012 10:03 am

Leodian wrote: I have posted on page 2 an 1891 map showing the labelled 'Mill goit' on the eastern side of Leeds Bridge but I thought this enlargement of some of that Old-Maps UK map may be useful to this most interesting thread. It shows more clearly what are likely to be the steps from and to Call Lane that Jogon has previously provided information and photos. It also shows what may be some ways to cross over the goit. LeoThanks, I can't open your enclosure, would you be kind enough to repost as I'd like to see.Apart from this thread, I think this may be the main foot route for boat folks to 'The Old Parrot' Hotel you found .I think we've gradually cracked the layout and geography of the Isle, and hopefully Network Rail may have images as well as the plans.

Caron · Post by **Caron** » Fri 22 Jun, 2012 2:54 pm

Jogon, I can see Leo's map on page 2 with The Parrot Hotel (?)Whilst I'm here, I feel ashamed to ask but why is it called "Isle" when all I can find out about it refers to it as a street ? (D'oh)......

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Fri 22 Jun, 2012 6:49 pm

CaronDon't be ashamed to ask - I'd never heard if it till I wandered in here, having lived in leeds too many yrs. Connected by bridges but forming an "Isle".A map of 1730 shows Picksmall Mill; Cooper's Mill; King's Mill and New Mill / Flaycrow Mill.Tasa kindly recommended a book which I bought, worth a look'The King's Mills, Leeds'http://www.leedsphilandlit.org.uk/publications.html

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Fri 22 Jun, 2012 7:07 pm

Leodian wrote: I have posted on page 2 an 1891 map showing the labelled 'Mill goit' on the eastern side of Leeds Bridge but I thought this enlargement of some of that Old-Maps UK map may be useful to this most interesting thread. It shows more clearly what are likely to be the steps from and to Call Lane that Jogon has previously provided information and photos. It also shows what may be some ways to cross over the goit. LeodianThanks it has opened now, my machine on blink.That is a really good quality image/map. Where did you find it please? I can't seem to view old-maps recently, they're just small.