A very old Establishment down the Skulls head yard (Part 1)

Post by **chameleon** » Thu 14 Apr, 2011 8:42 pm

Is the plan to 'reconstruct' a White Cloth Hall from the remnants on its site when developed still a goer? Published with a lot of hype and councilapproval sometime back - do we expect something akin to 'unforseen' costs being a stumbling block or am I simply pessimistic

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Thu 14 Apr, 2011 9:55 pm

chameleon wrote: Is the plan to 'reconstruct' a White Cloth Hall from the remnants on its site when developed still a goer? Published with a lot of hype and councilapproval sometime back - do we expect something akin to 'unforseen' costs being a stumbling block or am I simply pessimistic Well, it hasn't caught fire yet.....

Post by **chameleon** » Sun 27 Nov, 2011 12:01 pm

Guys (including the girls of course)This popped up in the pubs thread this morning - worthy of some consideration, you never know where a new avenue may lead???Kirk GateUser Location: LeedsJoined on: 27-Nov-2011 10:25:58Posted: 1 posts # Posted on: 27-Nov-2011 10:51:29. Delete | Edit | Quote Hi Everyone,Hope you can help me with my plan to restore the old Crown & Fleece on Crown Street to its former glory?I'm working closely with the owners as part of the Townscape Heritage Initiative which will attract grant funding for Kirkgate next year.As part of the refurbishment proposals there is an opportunity to reintroduce a pub into the area, so where better than to bring back this piece of history?I have been following the sculls thread with interest and would appreciate if you could help me put together a historic profile of the pub so that we can work with one of the regional independent brewery companies to restore the building. The history posted so far provides a great theme for the restoration so I would really appreciate any old photographs, description listings, landlord chronology, and significant events that could be forwarded by e mail to [email protected] have tracked down the sculls and would hope that we can one day return them to the yard.Look forward to hearing from youRegards,Kirk Gate

Post by **cnosni** » Sun 27 Nov, 2011 12:31 pm

chameleon wrote: Guys (including the girls of course)This popped up in the pubs thread this morning - worthy of some consideration, you never know where a new avenue may lead???Kirk GateUser Location: LeedsJoined on: 27-Nov-2011 10:25:58Posted: 1 posts # Posted on: 27-Nov-2011 10:51:29. Delete | Edit | Quote Hi Everyone,Hope you can help me with my plan to restore the old Crown & Fleece on Crown Street to its former glory?I'm working closely with the owners as part of the Townscape Heritage Initiative which will attract grant funding for Kirkgate next year.As part of the refurbishment proposals there is an opportunity to reintroduce a pub into the area, so where better than to bring back this piece of history?I have been following the sculls thread with interest and would appreciate if you could help me put together a historic profile of the pub so that we can work with one of the regional independent brewery companies to restore the building. The history posted so far provides a great theme for the restoration so I would really appreciate any old photographs, description listings, landlord chronology, and significant events that could be forwarded by e mail to [email protected] have tracked down the sculls and would hope that we can one day return them to the yard.Look forward to hearing from youRegards,Kirk Gate That would be a great idea,but i hope that they realise is that the pub extended into the neighbouring property.Wait til Drapesy sees this!!

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Sun 27 Nov, 2011 3:17 pm

great idea!I know a lot of details about the landlords are in the Skulls thread plus the resources thread.If the pub reopened it would be a marvellous place for a Secret leeds meeting!Always assuming of course that it will sell some real ale<G>.

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Sun 27 Nov, 2011 3:26 pm

skulls resource thread with a lot of stuff on the Crown & Fleece:http://www.secretleeds.co.uk/forum/Mess ... t=1perhaps a seperate thread on the pub might be an idea?

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Sun 27 Nov, 2011 3:48 pm

looking online for stuf about the Crown and Fleece ,i discovered this on a site about listed buildings: LEEDS SE3033SW CROWN STREET 714-1/78/144 (North side) Nos.5 AND 7 GV II Houses, later public house, now offices. Late C18, altered C19 and C20. Rendered, slate roof, 3-flue stack and coping far left, C20 stack to right of centre. 3 storeys, 6 first-floor windows: 4-pane sashes, some in architraves; casements in smaller openings just below eaves, above. Ground floor: panelled door in wooden architrave and 2 windows as first floor to right; two C20 shop windows centre and left. INTERIOR: not inspected. Apparently built as a row of 3 houses, the site built on by 1725 and the form of the row as now in 1815 (Giles map), when the street was named Assembly Court. By 1847 (OS map) a large part occupied as the Crown and Fleece Inn and a passageway possibly through the centre of No.9. Listing NGR: SE3042233409I hadn't realised that parts are Grade 2 listed which would obviously have an impact on any scheme to renovate it.

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Sun 27 Nov, 2011 3:53 pm

also in a list of bankrupts in the Edinburgh Gazette of September 26th 1899 appeared a snippet about a former landlord of the pub:John Whitaker, the Second West Hotel, Lidget Green,Bradford, Yorkshire, late of 409 Edgware Road, and 16Montrose Avenue, Kilburn, both in the county ofLondon, and formerly of the Crown and Fleece Hotel,Call Lane, Leeds, Yorkshire, retired omnibus proprietorand publican.He should have stuck to owning "The Crown and Fleece" by the look of it<G>.

agesofelegance · Post by **agesofelegance** » Sun 27 Nov, 2011 10:53 pm

we've just moved into 97 Kirkgate, as well as having the crown court building, if anyone wants a nosyandrew has been researching previous owners but sadly every pic before 1970 seems to cut it off it's either of the cloth hall below and we're just out of shot

Si · Post by Si » Mon 28 Nov, 2011 11:18 am

agesofelegance wrote: we've just moved into 97 Kirkgate, as well as having the crown court building, if anyone wants a nosyandrew has been researching previous owners but sadly every pic before 1970 seems to cut it off it's either of the cloth hall below and we're just out of shot

I'd be up for that, date dependant. Anyone else?PS It's always nice to see the Skulls thread resurrected, so to speak.