The Ghosts of Leeds tram cars ride the streets again (Leeds tramway closure 1959-2009)

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Sun 06 Mar, 2011 12:32 am

Tasa wrote: Just resurrecting this fascinating thread to add something to Phill's collection. My powers of observation are clearly improving, as I've walked past this for 40 years and finally noticed it this afternoon! You've beaten me to it Tasa - I've been passing there with varying degrees of frequency and in all modes of transport from pram to modern bus, car, motorbike and Mr. S.Hank's pony for 74 years and I've never noticed it - much obliged to you.

Brunel · Post by **Brunel** » Sun 06 Mar, 2011 6:48 pm

Thanks for this.I "collect" LCT Tramway artefacts, but have never seen this.I shall pass this on to Tramway Mel, who no doubt will leap up and down with excitement..!!

Post by **mhoulden** » Sun 06 Mar, 2011 10:38 pm

Given that Victoria Rd and Cardigan Rd are as wide as they are because they used to be tram routes, I've sometimes wondered why they don't reroute some of the traffic off Otley Rd now that the girls' school has closed. Got to be cheaper than stringing wires along bus route 1 as they want to do with the trolley buses.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Sun 06 Mar, 2011 11:46 pm

Cardi Rd isn't that wide and at peak times is a car park.

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Mon 07 Mar, 2011 9:05 am

When I've a minute to refer to my transport literature I'll check, but I'm almost certain that Victoria Road and Cardigan Road were single line portions of route, requiring less width. Also the awful congestion at the junction with North Lane, and at North Lane/Otley Road, would prevent any such diversion in that area.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 07 Mar, 2011 3:05 pm

Well spotted indeed Tasa!!

Tasa · Post by **Tasa** » Mon 07 Mar, 2011 6:15 pm

Ha ha, thanks Phill!I'm still partly in shock that I managed to spot this before you did

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 07 Mar, 2011 6:16 pm

Tasa wrote: Ha ha, thanks Phill!I'm still partly in shock that I managed to spot this before you did I hibernate over Winter with the camera these days. Far too soft to brave the cold So well done you anyway

Tasa · Post by **Tasa** » Mon 07 Mar, 2011 10:20 pm

BLAKEY wrote: When I've a minute to refer to my transport literature I'll check, but I'm almost certain that Victoria Road and Cardigan Road were single line portions of route, requiring less width. Also the awful congestion at the junction with North Lane, and at North Lane/Otley Road, would prevent any such diversion in that area. Blakey, does this map help? It's from the 1930s and you will be able to interpret the tram layout better than me! The grate cover I found is roughly at the top left-hand point of the "triangle" made by the converging tramlines, but on the pavement.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Mon 07 Mar, 2011 10:58 pm

I must have walked over it 100s of times. Off on a tangent the diagonal footpath above Belvedere was realigned as a ginnel on the north side of the plot, presumably when Cumberland flats were built. Never knew that.