Where's this then? (Leodis 'Can You Help')

liits · Post by **liits** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 8:17 am

grumpytramp wrote: Cardiarms wrote: http://www.leodis.org/display.aspx?reso ... 1157778Not this one. A likeness .......... mmmmm ......... yes but perhaps just a hint of caution perhaps?Look at the windows in the 1954 picture [linked above], there are only four horizontal glass panels in the windows but in the mystery photo there are six. Now I obviously probably 40years have passed between photos so it is conceivable that the windows had been replaced, but then look at the window sills on the first floor ........ they are definately not the same!That all said, I suspect that you are in the right part of town and in the right period (WW1)A puzzle that will be an excellent distraction at work tomorrow! I think you are a tad confused, Grunpytramp. In the Leodis link photo of the tram, dated 1954, the building in the background is the former King’s Mills [still standing, I believe]. In the “Can you help” photo, the one with all the women standing outside, if it was taken on the Sovereign Street side of the Tram Depot, this is the building I was thinking it was taken from. That being said, having had a look at some other Leodis pics showing that side of the tram depot, the windows are slightly different.

jim · Post by **jim** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:03 am

I too had considered the Sovereign Street side of Swinegate Tram Depot as the site of the photograph at the head of this thread. I have found it difficult to locate a contemporary picture of anything other than the Swinegate side, but now find that on page 665 of Vol 2 of Jim Soper's "Leeds Transport there is a faded view of what I am searching for. It shows the main doors with "Army Clothing Stores" painted on them, and also depicts the Sovereign Street frontage. From the Swinegate end there are four fully half arched ten feet high windows, followed by ten similarly arched fifteen feet high windows. ( Heights are estimated ) At this date the rest of the site to the west belonged to the gas department, and it is not possible to make out what that structure looked like. There are, however, two sets of tram tracks along Sovereign Street, well centred in the road, and supplied by overhead supported by very long arms on side poles set in the footpath at the opposite side of the road to the depot. On the next page ( 666 - oo-er! ) of the book are two plans of the site in 1926 and in 1931 to show the later additions to the depot. The Gas Department site was taken over to allow for an additional fourteen tracks, and the existing fourteen tracks have been lengthened by about fifty per-cent by taking over the area of the Kings Mill, which was located between the depot and the railway viaduct.Unless there were two King's Mills, or I have misunderstood Liits' post I am afraid that the building between Sovereign Street and Concordia Street had some other function or description.The 1906 Godfrey South Leeds map shows no tram tracks along Swinegate, and no buildings or tram tracks along Sovereign Street.The tram depot was completed in 1914.To summarise - I fear we are no nearer identifying the building referred to at the head of this thread.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 1:17 pm

Wellington Bridge, Kirkstall road area?Did trams run down Aire Street/Whitehall Road?

Leeds Hippo · Post by **Leeds Hippo** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 2:13 pm

Soapy Joes on the Whitehall Road?Can't find a photo anywhere? - Only a drawing(Didn't see the Leodis comment - Terry Smith believes it is Soapy Joe's too - can't believe there are no other photos - must have a look at my Leeds Trams DVD - seem to recall it shows the tram/trolley bus travelling along Whitehall Road - may show the entrance of Soapy Joes)

jim · Post by **jim** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 4:00 pm

Horse tram services down Aire Street/Whitehall Road to the Cattle Market on Gelderd Road commenced on 22/3/1901, were electrified from 13/10/1901, and "duplicated" by trackless cars ( early trolleybusses ) from 20/6/1911. These diverged from the tram route prior to the cattle market to run all the way to New Farnley along Whitehall Road.The trams on this route were withdrawn on 15/6/1922, and the trackless system followed on 7/7/1926.

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 8:50 pm

take a look at this postcard of the 1915 visit on Leodis:http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... 68520isn't the bottom right hand picture the same building?

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 9:03 pm

I just looked at the picture on our thread about Beckett Park Hospital (now part of the leeds campus). there is a photo posted by Ro-man of the visit of George V in 1915 on that thread, which appears to have been taken minutes after the puzzler here! so the answer appears to be the then Northern General Hospital in Beckett Park September 1915

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 9:04 pm

Steve Jones wrote: take a look at this postcard of the 1915 visit on Leodis:http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... 68520isn't the bottom right hand picture the same building? I don't think so. The windows on the postcard look rectangular. the windwos in the OP photo clearly have a arched top. Also while nurses would also fit a predominantly female audience it does look like overalls rather than a nurses uniform.Finally to throw another spanner in the works. The original photograph appears to be a very narrow street. I'm assuming the near side crowd are on or very close to the nearside pavement and the prominent post looks to be in the middle of tram tracks if they are dual tram tracks. Could it be a single guiding rail? Is the post a lamp post or infastructure for overhead electric?

jim · Post by **jim** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:43 pm

Sorry Steve, the windows at Northern General in the first picture you refer to are full semi-circles at the arch, and are considerably higher than they are wide. The construction of the building is much "fancier" than that shown in the original picture of this thread. That photo shows a very basically presented industrial building with window arches of arcs of less than forty-five degrees of a circle, which are much closer to "square" configuration. In any case, the postcard picture is clearly labelled St James Hospital, East Leeds, and as Tyke Bhoy correctly points out, the windows are different again, and a wide area is depicted in front of the building, not a road.

grumpytramp · Post by **grumpytramp** » Wed 23 Feb, 2011 11:40 pm

liits wrote: I think you are a tad confused, Grunpytramp. A tad confused? ... Liits you are being very generous! Apologies I should have read the post more carefully