East leeds sports center to close march

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Mon 07 Feb, 2011 3:41 pm

anthonydna wrote: I just think people want companies to pay the tax on the money they have earned in the UK. If the assumption that money spent on education and basic amenities is wasted then what should it be spent on ? It almost seems that people are being demonised for daring to want an education, and by people who didn't pay a penny for one. No. Less people went when it was free and they were selected because of their ability. We SHOULD select our best and educate them. I do have an issue with people wanting to do what are essentially "vanity" degrees.Why should a bus driver or a postman pay for some kid to do a Business Studies degree? Why?Why don't they consider staying at home, getting a job and going down the Open University route whilst also gaining experience? Seems more sensible than getting into huge debt, still having to find a job and probably gaining a liking for Monday night 10p a shot nights? Also if these companies are avoiding tax then yes it should be paid, I've already said that but it's a fact they will just pass it on and it will be recouped at the till. They won't actually pay it, YOU will pay it and the added VAT to boot.

anthonydna · Post by **anthonydna** » Mon 07 Feb, 2011 3:48 pm

I think our ideas on education differ, I would hardly call studying business studies a vanity option.

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Mon 07 Feb, 2011 3:57 pm

anthonydna wrote: I think our ideas on education differ, I would hardly call studying business studies a vanity option. I would. It's a total waste of time and is of no value in the workplace.You don't have to believe me but it's true. The higher education system in this country is a market and youngsters are being "sold" a worthless product. It's criminal.It's a scramble for funding and the funding is drying up, hence the criminal hike in fees. There are recognised Universities which still have gravitas but many more which are just dismissed by employers.If a company was offering to train you as a Gas Fitter say for £30k you would think it was criminal. The facts are that you can train to be a Gas Fitter (fully qualified) for about £8k or less and they earn much more than your average "Business Studies" graduate from Acme Polyversity. Kids are being sold a lie.

anthonydna · Post by **anthonydna** » Mon 07 Feb, 2011 4:19 pm

I've employed two business studies graduates over the last 5 years, one earns over 50k the other 75k. I know which way I would tell my kids to go. Not all courses are great, but to perpetuate this myth that education is an expensive folly won't move us forward.

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Mon 07 Feb, 2011 4:26 pm

anthonydna wrote: I've employed two business studies graduates over the last 5 years, one earns over 50k the other 75k. I know which way I would tell my kids to go. Not all courses are great, but to perpetuate this myth that education is an expensive folly won't move us forward. The level of graduate unemployment speaks for itself. Do you think that your two employees are typical of Business Studies graduates? Do you think they earn that because of the degree they took or because of the people they are? I suspect they are by far the exception. Why are there the bad courses you mention? Because there's green stuff to be made.It's crazy, we are asking our kids to buy a £20k lottery ticket.

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 07 Feb, 2011 8:57 pm

Some years agoe we were told to educate for greater leisure time - I don't think the current situation is what was in mind but it has gradually given rise to a number of courses which can be considered to be of questionable value to society rather than the individual but then, if others did not study to the level they do in other areas and gain the resultant profesiional skills we would have problems. Anyone not appreciating that worth where it is genuine is rather nieve!Don't you think that which ever party is in power, 50% of the population think they are getting it wrong. Up until recently the party in control of LCC was constantly said to be in the wrong. This is still said - despite the change we have. Surely this suggests it is the principles of governing rather than the people to be complained about.

biggee99 · Post by **biggee99** » Mon 07 Feb, 2011 8:57 pm

It would be nice if they could leave the sports centre open for the young ones around here who make use of the place, but what the hell i can't do any thing.

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 07 Feb, 2011 11:12 pm

biggee99 wrote: It would be nice if they could leave the sports centre open for the young ones around here who make use of the place, but what the hell i can't do any thing. For long enough they were threatening to close Fearnville to use the land for a new Accademy, which was finally built in the grounds of Foxwood. This movef on to become space needed for a new junior/first school but that has gone quiet too.Why don't you write to your Councillor, quietly asking him to explain how the choice was made and reasons for deciding which centres would close was made? Maybe make the point that it does seem to people that already deprived areas are being targeted. Nothing ventured, nothing gained and it's only the price of a stamp.

biggee99 · Post by **biggee99** » Tue 08 Feb, 2011 4:32 pm

chameleon wrote: biggee99 wrote: It would be nice if they could leave the sports centre open for the young ones around here who make use of the place, but what the hell i can't do any thing. For long enough they were threatening to close Fearnville to use the land for a new Accademy, which was finally built in the grounds of Foxwood. This movef on to become space needed for a new junior/first school but that has gone quiet too.Why don't you write to your Councillor, quietly asking him to explain how the choice was made and reasons for deciding which centres would close was made? Maybe make the point that it does seem to people that already deprived areas are being targeted. Nothing ventured, nothing gained and it's only the price of a stamp. Thanks for the info i will drop a letter thank you

biggee99 · Post by **biggee99** » Wed 09 Feb, 2011 8:36 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/leeds/2011/fe ... cernsfound a little article here if you cut and paste a bit more info