Leeds Decade of change 1962-72 photos

geoffb · Post by **geoffb** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 1:22 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: dogduke wrote: The photos are great and it is lovey that we have thechance to view them.I understand Phill and Drapesy's viewpoint but at the end of the dayits the old saying about giving credit where credit is due and in this case he has not done so.There is as far as I can see only the one reference to Leeds Civic Trust Leeds City Transport 1968Many of the photo`s of Leeds street scenes in 1968 were taken from this vehicle for Leeds Civic Trust and feature in my set Leeds : Decade of change 62 to 72 He's obviously got the collection of photos to hand, either the originals, copies, or he has access to them. I really don't think calling his integrity into question is the right thing to do here. I'm somewhat saddened to see an innocent link to a valueable set of archive photos degenerate this way to be honest.Unless anyone states otherwise, and makes claim to those photographs being theirs, I think it's only fair to make the judgement that he either has full permission to show these photos, or has inherited this collection lawfully. Afterall, how many times do members of Secret Leeds upload photos from Leodis without adding any copyright at all? I for one am guilty of that.Infact some of those older photos in his collection will be available to the public to use soon when the Copyright has lapsed (I believe after 50 years, or when the photographer dies/which might have already happened)Really, just enjoy the photos. God forbid the guy see's this and decides it's not worth the aggravation and deletes the entire collection. Well said PhilCopied from Cliffords stream, "These images are the copyright of Leeds Civic Trust and I have express permission to use them. They have been shut away for 40 years, please enjoy looking and commenting on them."Lets do as Clifford asks and enjoy not nit pick, these shots are a potted photographic history of Leeds 40 years ago.

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 1:50 pm

yorkiesknob wrote: OK Cardi got you now. Not too sure on the curved roof building. But I'm thinking the photo could have being taken from the Kitson College high rise building.Cheers Yorkie A tricky one. I think Kitson is too far away but I am not convinced it’s a Poly building either. The derelict and roof-less building in the near foreground and right next to the inner ring road cutting just prior to the tunnel is the current location of F-block. F-Block, ironically about to be demolishes, is the grey 8 floor block with a square footprint. The space between it and Woodhouse lane is currently a car park for “the Poly”. The building in the bottom right is roughly where the current Leslie Silver Building, home of the Met’s Learning Centre/Library, now stands. To the left and running between both F-Block and Leslie Silver is D-Block. But D-block would be too close to be the location from which the photo is taken and most of it would be visible. Adjacent to D-Block and running to Portland Way in a continuous line is C-Block. Despite the naming convention I believe C-block is a couple of years younger than D-Block so I think that rules out C-block as the photographers position. A crane in position to build D-Block is a possibility but given that the site was yet to cleared, let alone foundations started, I find that unlikely. So a couple of final suggestions spring to mind. Across Portland Way the current site of the Rose Bowl outdoor car park has for as long as I remember been a car park and in the days before the Rose Bowl a very badly tarmacced car park. Could there have been a reasonably tall building on that site? Alternatively, back to the “Crane” theory, the Rose Bowl currently occupies the site of the former Civic Hall Annexe. Given its height I wouldn’t have thought a crane was required to aid construction and it certainly wasn’t tall enough for the building to be the location but what if a crane was used?

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 1:54 pm

OK I typed all that and then tried to find what was on the Rose Bowl Car park and found that its been a car park for my entire life, that work on the Poly started before work on the Civic Hall Annexe, and that C block pre-dated D-Block. All that from this http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL !! C-Block or the Crane now look likely to be the photographers position.

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 2:00 pm

tyke bhoy wrote: OK I typed all that and then tried to find what was on the Rose Bowl Car park and found that its been a car park for my entire life, that work on the Poly started before work on the Civic Hall Annexe, and that C block pre-dated D-Block. All that from this http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL !! C-Block or the Crane now look likely to be the photographers position. Taken from about the same time proof it could feasibly have been Kitson http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL but as I said I think its too far away.

geoffb · Post by **geoffb** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 2:10 pm

tyke bhoy wrote: tyke bhoy wrote: OK I typed all that and then tried to find what was on the Rose Bowl Car park and found that its been a car park for my entire life, that work on the Poly started before work on the Civic Hall Annexe, and that C block pre-dated D-Block. All that from this http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL !! C-Block or the Crane now look likely to be the photographers position. Taken from about the same time proof it could feasibly have been Kitson http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL but as I said I think its too far away. Dont think its taken from Kitson, this must be from C block,

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 2:20 pm

geoffb wrote: Phill_dvsn wrote: dogduke wrote: The photos are great and it is lovey that we have thechance to view them.I understand Phill and Drapesy's viewpoint but at the end of the dayits the old saying about giving credit where credit is due and in this case he has not done so.There is as far as I can see only the one reference to Leeds Civic Trust Leeds City Transport 1968Many of the photo`s of Leeds street scenes in 1968 were taken from this vehicle for Leeds Civic Trust and feature in my set Leeds : Decade of change 62 to 72 He's obviously got the collection of photos to hand, either the originals, copies, or he has access to them. I really don't think calling his integrity into question is the right thing to do here. I'm somewhat saddened to see an innocent link to a valueable set of archive photos degenerate this way to be honest.Unless anyone states otherwise, and makes claim to those photographs being theirs, I think it's only fair to make the judgement that he either has full permission to show these photos, or has inherited this collection lawfully. Afterall, how many times do members of Secret Leeds upload photos from Leodis without adding any copyright at all? I for one am guilty of that.Infact some of those older photos in his collection will be available to the public to use soon when the Copyright has lapsed (I believe after 50 years, or when the photographer dies/which might have already happened)Really, just enjoy the photos. God forbid the guy see's this and decides it's not worth the aggravation and deletes the entire collection. Well said PhilCopied from Cliffords stream, "These images are the copyright of Leeds Civic Trust and I have express permission to use them. They have been shut away for 40 years, please enjoy looking and commenting on them."Lets do as Clifford asks and enjoy not nit pick, these shots are a potted photographic history of Leeds 40 years ago. Was the "These images are the copyright of Leeds Civic Trust and I have express permission to use them. They have been shut away for 40 years, please enjoy looking and commenting on them." always there, as I didn't see it? If it was it should have been made more noticeable and would have saved what has lead to some unpleasantness here, which is not nice in what should be a friendly group. I think the Leeds Civic Trust should provide images online for all to see.

Chrism · Post by **Chrism** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 2:41 pm

That was put on last night or this morning. My only gripe with the feller is why he deleted my comment and blocked me. It wasn't derogatory or anything like. He just seemed to have a beef with me and I don't know why. I would like to know why, if anyone knows him or if anyone has contact with him on flickr.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 4:20 pm

Come on guys, lets put the whole issue of who the photos belong to bed now. I'll tell you why i feel badly let down here with what's gone on.Not only can the guy see that he is having views from S.L on his flickr statitistic views and referers, but i also told him on Saturday night.If you see my second comment down here you can see i've added a link to this very post and told him.http://www.flickr.com/photos/cliffordst ... 76221860/I thought i was doing a favour to the people who use this site, and also generate more views on those pictures at the same time. I feel badly let down to be honest. Not only does it reflect very badly on S.L in a very negative way. It will also make people think twice about contributing any further material to this site, or they won't want their work linking to if there going to get an online inquisition in this way. You will also notice the guy states on that same page two days ago that the photos belong to Leeds Civic trust and he has permission to use them. I'll leave my Secret Leeds link comment on that page for a while until people have seen it here, then the best thing all round would be if i re-edit it and conviently 'loose' that link to this post. Not only will the guy be able to read what's happened here, but so too will everyone else who looks at that photo. I dread to think of what opinion they must make of Secret Leeds All i can say to you Chris, is the internet is notorious for not been able to 'read' how someone has commented without facial expression, or tone of voice. Perhaps the guy felt you were being a little patronising correcting him on a public website? Either way it is his photo stream, he pays the yearly subscription fee that gives him the luxury of deleting what comments he pleases. He also doesn't need to defend, or justify what he does in anyway shape or form. It really is no big deal, I delete many comments i don't want on my photos all the time.I've no idea who the guy is, but i feel embarassed and partly responsible for all this. That's why i've had to speak out.

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 4:38 pm

It's Christmas!!!Let's ignore the ifs and buts and take advantage of the offering of things we may neve of found. They were clearly posted in good faith and like many of us, we don't always credit as we might - but that doesn't mean the intention wasn't there. I think we've had our share of discontent for this year - there can be more unpleasant thingsto have to worry about these days

geoffb · Post by **geoffb** » Mon 20 Dec, 2010 5:35 pm

chameleon wrote: It's Christmas!!!Let's ignore the ifs and buts and take advantage of the offering of things we may neve of found. They were clearly posted in good faith and like many of us, we don't always credit as we might - but that doesn't mean the intention wasn't there. I think we've had our share of discontent for this year - there can be more unpleasant thingsto have to worry about these days There is so much historical photographic information on Cliffords stream we cannot loose, the Hunslet goods yard for example, the minute detail of the Naphtha tankers (mid left) offloading their cargo which was directly pumped to Meadow Lane gas works on the other side of Kidacre Street. I saw that for real in the early 70s but never seen a shot of it, and theres much much more. Lets now put the discontent to bed.