Car Park closures

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 2:58 pm

jim wrote: Hi Reginal. If you are suggesting that shopping centre and/or supermarket car parks are used for park and ride, in the place of customers for who said parking space was ( expensively ) built for, I don't think the retail establishments would be too pleased! Strangely enough Jim I was not suggesting that they did it on the sly without the full cooperation with the retailers. We have mentioned the York model as working well and McArthur Glen car park is used as a park and ride.Essentially what you are doing is delivering hundreds of people to their door who might need to buy stuff for tea or buy their lunch their cheaper than in town. I think there is mutual benefits.

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 3:45 pm

Reginal Perrin wrote: jim wrote: Hi Reginal. If you are suggesting that shopping centre and/or supermarket car parks are used for park and ride, in the place of customers for who said parking space was ( expensively ) built for, I don't think the retail establishments would be too pleased! Strangely enough Jim I was not suggesting that they did it on the sly without the full cooperation with the retailers. We have mentioned the York model as working well and McArthur Glen car park is used as a park and ride.Essentially what you are doing is delivering hundreds of people to their door who might need to buy stuff for tea or buy their lunch their cheaper than in town. I think there is mutual benefits. Sure you're right Regi old boy - after they've monopolised free parking to the detriment of the days' other shoppers though

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 4:04 pm

chameleon wrote: Reginal Perrin wrote: jim wrote: Hi Reginal. If you are suggesting that shopping centre and/or supermarket car parks are used for park and ride, in the place of customers for who said parking space was ( expensively ) built for, I don't think the retail establishments would be too pleased! Strangely enough Jim I was not suggesting that they did it on the sly without the full cooperation with the retailers. We have mentioned the York model as working well and McArthur Glen car park is used as a park and ride.Essentially what you are doing is delivering hundreds of people to their door who might need to buy stuff for tea or buy their lunch their cheaper than in town. I think there is mutual benefits. Sure you're right Regi old boy - after they've monopolised free parking to the detriment of the days' other shoppers though Without writing a full study into how the idea should work mate I think these things are manageable. Joint season tickets for car and passenger should be available with reg numbers logged and if parked outside of designated areas then they should be fined. Hunslet area could accomodate spaces in Morrisons / Lidl, Costco and the virtually empty Tulip Retail Park and that's right on the inner ring road, 1 mile from town. Only The Range to worry about.There capacity along Kirkstall Road at The Vue. Existing parking that is not utilised to the full during the day.Elland Road to the South West. Masses of parking when no games on and there are never any games 8 to 6 on weekdays.

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 4:34 pm

A wonderful theory Reginal and a logical and practical one but, I can just see it needing a chnge of use (customer to public parking) planning application and then..... No.

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 6:29 pm

Reginal Perrin wrote: jim wrote: Hi Reginal. If you are suggesting that shopping centre and/or supermarket car parks are used for park and ride, in the place of customers for who said parking space was ( expensively ) built for, I don't think the retail establishments would be too pleased! Strangely enough Jim I was not suggesting that they did it on the sly without the full cooperation with the retailers. We have mentioned the York model as working well and McArthur Glen car park is used as a park and ride.Essentially what you are doing is delivering hundreds of people to their door who might need to buy stuff for tea or buy their lunch their cheaper than in town. I think there is mutual benefits. Excellent point Reginal.

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 8:18 pm

BLAKEY wrote: jim wrote: [Perhaps the "Park and ride" concept, but with the car parks somewhat closer to the city centre than previously might help the situation? The Park and Ride scheme in York is a shining example of what a superb concept this is. I often use the service - there are five different huge car parks and bus services - and did so again yesterday. For we "old gimmers" even the bus ride is free and for the younger end I believe the return fare to York is under £2 which is about the cost of one hour's parking (if you can) in the city centre places. Also the stress free lack of hassle and the interesting journeys are wonderful. The Park and Ride scheme in York is an excellent example of what can be done - well sited car parks, cheap prices, regular, reliable decent quality buses and almost everyone uses it. Well said Blakey. chameleon wrote: jim wrote: Hi Reginal. If you are suggesting that shopping centre and/or supermarket car parks are used for park and ride, in the place of customers for who said parking space was ( expensively ) built for, I don't think the retail establishments would be too pleased! Amazing how many cars are at Tesco Seacroft early doors, in relation to the number of people in the store. Station Parkers were also the major cause of parking charges being introduced at the Crossgates Arndale Centre (as well as recouping 'costs' of course). It can only be a matter of time before Tesco introduce some sort of time limit on the car park, the number of people that are parked in there by 8am. It's worth noting that Tesco got planning to redevelop the car park as a multi-storey about a year ago but nothing has happened yet. I dread to think what the local streets / Seacroft Green will get like if they do enforce parking restrictions though (vested interest, I only live a 10 minute walk away!).And I note the charges at Crossgates are going up again from Dec 1st - 80p for up to 2 hours, £1.80 for up to three hours then it gets very expensive indeed. Now it's a money earner, rather than keeping the station users out of the car park.Back to the subject in hand though - don't forget that the Labour group were only re-elected to power this spring, after losing control of the council several years ago when they stated they were going to bring a congestion charge in. All this looks suspiciously like the groundwork to me...

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 8:52 pm

raveydavey wrote: BLAKEY wrote: jim wrote: [Perhaps the "Park and ride" concept, but with the car parks somewhat closer to the city centre than previously might help the situation? The Park and Ride scheme in York is a shining example of what a superb concept this is. I often use the service - there are five different huge car parks and bus services - and did so again yesterday. For we "old gimmers" even the bus ride is free and for the younger end I believe the return fare to York is under £2 which is about the cost of one hour's parking (if you can) in the city centre places. Also the stress free lack of hassle and the interesting journeys are wonderful. The Park and Ride scheme in York is an excellent example of what can be done - well sited car parks, cheap prices, regular, reliable decent quality buses and almost everyone uses it. Well said Blakey. chameleon wrote: jim wrote: Hi Reginal. If you are suggesting that shopping centre and/or supermarket car parks are used for park and ride, in the place of customers for who said parking space was ( expensively ) built for, I don't think the retail establishments would be too pleased! Amazing how many cars are at Tesco Seacroft early doors, in relation to the number of people in the store. Station Parkers were also the major cause of parking charges being introduced at the Crossgates Arndale Centre (as well as recouping 'costs' of course). It can only be a matter of time before Tesco introduce some sort of time limit on the car park, the number of people that are parked in there by 8am. It's worth noting that Tesco got planning to redevelop the car park as a multi-storey about a year ago but nothing has happened yet. I dread to think what the local streets / Seacroft Green will get like if they do enforce parking restrictions though (vested interest, I only live a 10 minute walk away!).And I note the charges at Crossgates are going up again from Dec 1st - 80p for up to 2 hours, £1.80 for up to three hours then it gets very expensive indeed. Now it's a money earner, rather than keeping the station users out of the car park.Back to the subject in hand though - don't forget that the Labour group were only re-elected to power this spring, after losing control of the council several years ago when they stated they were going to bring a congestion charge in. All this looks suspiciously like the groundwork to me... I don't remember seeing that one Davey boy. I suspect that it would be a small portion of the site though - seems unlikely that permission would be given to blot out the frontage of such a complex.The (relatively) recently lower exit and parking area next to the individual units was laid to waste for ages - wonder if it would have been there. Did always strike me though that something was amis there, until this exit was constructed there was only one way in and out and that past the filling station, not quite the level of emergency planning contingency you might expect!!

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 9:00 pm

No, they definitely applied for and got planning for at least another level on the car park at Tesco (a bit like the Meadowhell car parks I seem to recall) - it was shortly after they applied for permission to build a "family pub and restaurant" on the site which was rejected (and rightly so, where would that have gone?).On that subject, it's also about the same time that planning was granted for a multi-storey car park at the Crossgates Shopping Centre - another one that has never seen the light of day.

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 9:14 pm

raveydavey wrote: No, they definitely applied for and got planning for at least another level on the car park at Tesco (a bit like the Meadowhell car parks I seem to recall) - it was shortly after they applied for permission to build a "family pub and restaurant" on the site which was rejected (and rightly so, where would that have gone?).On that subject, it's also about the same time that planning was granted for a multi-storey car park at the Crossgates Shopping Centre - another one that has never seen the light of day. I remember the Crossgates one tha never happened. Strangely, when challenging Tesco over an issue with their carpark, the response was a very negative, nothing to do with us, we don't own it.

Loiner1960 · Post by **Loiner1960** » Fri 19 Nov, 2010 10:42 pm

Well my "O" Level geography taught me about Leeds congestion. To have enough roads to reach everywhere would mean not much left to shop or work in. And the reverse is true. Too much pedestrianization and one way systems will create congestion. Buses cause congestion as they don't overtake and are stop start. Due to one man operation this slows buses down, hence purple slug assistants.Car parking in Leeds is a joke. I use my motorbike as it is free parking. But even that is under threat with Lab thank you Green in power. The regeneration of "Holbeck Village." will end. It is just another dead project in the long list. The land will have travellers on it in days. More expense to remove them. Leeds had a Park and ride scheme in the 70's. It died because of lack of investment in car parks both North and South of the river Aire. Worst and Non-Arriva get a stranglehold on the businesses in Leeds centre..