The "ups and downs"

[String o' beads]

Welcome back carrotol!    

[stutterdog]

'Arry 'Awk wrote: stutterdog wrote: jim wrote: Anyone remember the "ups and downs", sometimes referred to as the "Beeston Bumps"?Situated in the vee between the Ring Road and Elland Road, they were an area of low grey shale waste mounds, which generations of lads and lasses on push bikes turned into a maze of exciting cycle tracks which must have been a predecessor of todays' skateboard and mountain bike parks.Most of the hollows between the mounds filled with rainwater, and many an over-enthusiastic rider went home with wet feet ( or more ) from trying too hard! I remember the Beeston Bumps very well.A group of us lads from the Gloucesters in Armley would cycle over there sometimes and ride the "bumps" for and hour or 2 in the school hols. This would be in the early to mid 50's. The piece of land was at the junction of Geldard Rd with the Ring Rd,on the left corner travelling outwards from Leeds. I've had a look at the thread re the Lemmy but this is a different place. Hi SDIf you check back to Tykebhoy's posting link, you'll find oldPostings from Jailhouse John,(who lived at the farm acrossthe Ringroad), and myself ,and we had a difference of opinion(friendly!),as to the true location of the U/D's.You have confirmed my statement that the original locationWAS on the corner of Gelderd Rd and the Ringroad! Ta!Like you,I couldn't place the one at the Elland Rd JunctionSo guess that, as I stated, that when the YEB built theiroffices etc on that site,perhaps the Elland Rd site becamethe one most folks remember.My era on the bumps was around 1945/47, and they were obviously still in use andstill going in the early 50's. After 1947 I was in the RAF andlived darn sarf for 20 yrs! Didn't know Leeds when I returnedin '67 so I have no recall on the social scene,pubs nightclubsoften discussed on Secret Leeds. What've I missed???Anyway, if Jailhouse John is still posting(?) I'll be glad to tell him we were both right!! That location discrepancy hasbugged me I can tell you! Senility creeps in and you can'tbe sure of owt anymore!Cheers from t'owd Fogey (Arry) 'ello 'arry! Thanks for that vote of confidence and I can assure you that your not goin senile and your comment does the same for me too! Nice to see you back after your op!

[carrotol]

Thanks Geordie. May take me some time to try catch up on goings on : )

[jim]

'arry 'awk, "the bumps" that I recall were definitely in the area between, to the east Millshaw Beck, to the south Elland Road, to the west the Ring Road, and to the north the footpath from Near Royds leading to the footbridge over Millshaw Beck.My visits took place from 1950 to 1954, and at the time I lived in Lower Wortley. There may also have been a similar site at the Gelderd Road junction, but I was not aware of it. The one I knew is now to the south of the M621 and is an industrial estate.Parksider, I have checked the history of the site as it appears on "old-maps" and it is there identified as Lee Pit. The co-ordinates on that website are 427784, 430884. On the 1908 1:2500 sheet the land plot number is 311.    

[Si]

carrotol wrote: Thanks Geordie. May take me some time to try catch up on goings on : ) You've got a lot of reading to get through!!!Welcome back.

[Arry Awk]

jim wrote: 'arry 'awk, "the bumps" that I recall were definitely in the area between, to the east Millshaw Beck, to the south Elland Road, to the west the Ring Road, and to the north the footpath from Near Royds leading to the footbridge over Millshaw Beck.My visits took place from 1950 to 1954, and at the time I lived in Lower Wortley. There may also have been a similar site at the Gelderd Road junction, but I was not aware of it. The one I knew is now to the south of the M621 and is an industrial estate.Parksider, I have checked the history of the site as it appears on "old-maps" and it is there identified as Lee Pit. The co-ordinates on that website are 427784, 430884. On the 1908 1:2500 sheet the land plot number is 311.     Hi Jim,As you say, there must've been two U/D sites along that stretch of the Ringroad! Your version agrees with Jailhouse John's and helived at the Farm over the Road. The Elland Rd site was obviouslymore advanced than the Gelderd Rd one which Stutterdog andmyself remember! I can remember entering and leavingthru a gate on Gelderd Rd. We never went as far along the Ringroadas Elland Rd! Our gang came from the Burley Rd area androde up Gelderd Rd from Town and straight into the U/Ds thruthe Tubular metal Gate, For a bit of relief sometimes we wouldcross the ringroad and there was a sort of mini u/d's behinda deserted mine building where there was a large slag heapwhich was lovely to do a bit of tracking! We also caught Frogs,newts sticklebacks minnows etc but didn't take em home!Jamjars full of water don't take kindly to being carried onboneshaker bikes! Memories,eh? all our yesterdays again!

[jim]

So, 'Arry, it looks like the Elland Road ups and downs are those that Uno Hoo, Jailhouse John, and I remember, whereas you and Stutterdog remember the Gelderd Road ones, which presumably are those that Parksider connects with New Pit. As Parksider says the whole area was once riddled with coal mines. The 1906 map identifies Busk, Manor, Garden, Hall, and Beggars Hill pits, with Cardigan just off the map to the west, and other unidentifiedshafts and heaps of arisings that infer yet more sites. To these we can add New and Lee pits. It serves to remind us just how widespread mining was in Leeds in Victorian times.To add to your piscatorial efforts, we used to go to Old Farnley fish pond for frogs and newts, and to the Fulneck end of Pudsey Beck for minnows and sticklebacks. We did take them home in our jam jars - but not on bikes. Those that survived overnight were the exception. Can't remember if we realised that water-filled jamjars don't go with bikes, or if there was too much uphill for us!

[stutterdog]

jim wrote: So, 'Arry, it looks like the Elland Road ups and downs are those that Uno Hoo, Jailhouse John, and I remember, whereas you and Stutterdog remember the Gelderd Road ones, which presumably are those that Parksider connects with New Pit. As Parksider says the whole area was once riddled with coal mines. The 1906 map identifies Busk, Manor, Garden, Hall, and Beggars Hill pits, with Cardigan just off the map to the west, and other unidentifiedshafts and heaps of arisings that infer yet more sites. To these we can add New and Lee pits. It serves to remind us just how widespread mining was in Leeds in Victorian times.To add to your piscatorial efforts, we used to go to Old Farnley fish pond for frogs and newts, and to the Fulneck end of Pudsey Beck for minnows and sticklebacks. We did take them home in our jam jars - but not on bikes. Those that survived overnight were the exception. Can't remember if we realised that water-filled jamjars don't go with bikes, or if there was too much uphill for us! Is there anyone on this site can settle this problem of where the Beeston Bumps were that me and 'arry remember by kindly downloading an arial photo with the site on ? It should be easy enough to pick out from the air because of the wellworn tracks on it. Between 1946 and 1958 should suffice. Thanks in anticipation. SD

[Arry Awk]

stutterdog wrote: jim wrote: So, 'Arry, it looks like the Elland Road ups and downs are those that Uno Hoo, Jailhouse John, and I remember, whereas you and Stutterdog remember the Gelderd Road ones, which presumably are those that Parksider connects with New Pit. As Parksider says the whole area was once riddled with coal mines. The 1906 map identifies Busk, Manor, Garden, Hall, and Beggars Hill pits, with Cardigan just off the map to the west, and other unidentifiedshafts and heaps of arisings that infer yet more sites. To these we can add New and Lee pits. It serves to remind us just how widespread mining was in Leeds in Victorian times.To add to your piscatorial efforts, we used to go to Old Farnley fish pond for frogs and newts, and to the Fulneck end of Pudsey Beck for minnows and sticklebacks. We did take them home in our jam jars - but not on bikes. Those that survived overnight were the exception. Can't remember if we realised that water-filled jamjars don't go with bikes, or if there was too much uphill for us! Is there anyone on this site can settle this problem of where the Beeston Bumps were that me and 'arry remember by kindly downloading an arial photo with the site on ? It should be easy enough to pick out from the air because of the wellworn tracks on it. Between 1946 and 1958 should suffice. Thanks in anticipation. SD Hi SDI don't think the U/D's WE remember were ever the BeestonBumps! Ours was(were?) the Gelderd Bumps. Not that I ever remember em being called owt but the Ups and Downs!Obviously, the Beeston bumps recently described, wereat the Elland Rd junction wth the Beeston Ring Road.Near enough to Cottingley cemetery (The Crem wasn't builtat the time we are talking about).Nowadays,the M621 dividesGelderd and Elland Roads at that point.Afraid there isn't much close detail on the Aerial photo of the time.In fact I don't think it shows OUR U/D's at all!only the Beestonones, and not very clearly!Don't we get involved trying to prove a point! LOL not!cheers 'Arry.

[stutterdog]

'Arry 'Awk wrote: stutterdog wrote: jim wrote: So, 'Arry, it looks like the Elland Road ups and downs are those that Uno Hoo, Jailhouse John, and I remember, whereas you and Stutterdog remember the Gelderd Road ones, which presumably are those that Parksider connects with New Pit. As Parksider says the whole area was once riddled with coal mines. The 1906 map identifies Busk, Manor, Garden, Hall, and Beggars Hill pits, with Cardigan just off the map to the west, and other unidentifiedshafts and heaps of arisings that infer yet more sites. To these we can add New and Lee pits. It serves to remind us just how widespread mining was in Leeds in Victorian times.To add to your piscatorial efforts, we used to go to Old Farnley fish pond for frogs and newts, and to the Fulneck end of Pudsey Beck for minnows and sticklebacks. We did take them home in our jam jars - but not on bikes. Those that survived overnight were the exception. Can't remember if we realised that water-filled jamjars don't go with bikes, or if there was too much uphill for us! Is there anyone on this site can settle this problem of where the Beeston Bumps were that me and 'arry remember by kindly downloading an arial photo with the site on ? It should be easy enough to pick out from the air because of the wellworn tracks on it. Between 1946 and 1958 should suffice. Thanks in anticipation. SD Hi SDI don't think the U/D's WE remember were ever the BeestonBumps! Ours was(were?) the Gelderd Bumps. Not that I ever remember em being called owt but the Ups and Downs!Obviously, the Beeston bumps recently described, wereat the Elland Rd junction wth the Beeston Ring Road.Near enough to Cottingley cemetery (The Crem wasn't builtat the time we are talking about).Nowadays,the M621 dividesGelderd and Elland Roads at that point.Afraid there isn't much close detail on the Aerial photo of the time.In fact I don't think it shows OUR U/D's at all!only the Beestonones, and not very clearly!Don't we get involved trying to prove a point! LOL not!cheers 'Arry. We certainly do get involved as you say 'arry, but it keeps us from watching rubbish on the tele!