Pine Apple Inn, Quarry Hill

[Si]

Dee - it turns out there's another Myrtle Street, off Regent Street.

[Si]

Here it is.Which is yours?    

[Si]

cnosni wrote: Si wrote: Taking into account Cnosni's theory that the Pine Apple was nearer the St Peter's Street junction than the other two proposed sites so far, I think I've found another possible site, marked pink on the above map. 1: The frontage on the map fits the photo if the door on the right is a covered ginnel, and not next door's entrance.2: Crucially, look at the photo of the back door(s) and compare to the map. Two small walls are marked protruding from the "ginnel" entrance - they appear to be there in the pic.3: Except for the toilet (which isn't shown seperately on the map) the buildings at the back on both sides also seem to fit.Any thoughts?     Pink one looks best,its got a gap to access the rear,and what would appear to be the Brewhouse.Also to the right of the possible brewhouse is waht lokks like next doors outside toilet,as can be seen in the picture looking down towards St Peters Street.The pink property also has the potential back door in the correct position,looks good to me mate. Hi Chris. The doors, etc look good, but there's still a problem. Next door (to the right on the map) is a back-to-back and sticks out much further than next door in the photos.

[Si]

cnosni wrote: Having said that Si the High Street photo seems to show a door rather than a ginnel entrance to the right (as you look at the pic). It does, doesn't it? That's another problem with the theory! The two properties appear to be mirror-images of themselves. This is definately the Pine Apple, as on the original print, the sign can easily be read. However, it has occured to me that perhaps the rear photos are mis-captioned on Leodis, and actually show the Hop Pole. Note the "pole" in the back yard!     

[Si]

Having studied the picture posted by Drapsey of Turkington's Yard earlier, I reckon this is the Hop Pole pub (outlined red) and therefore the Pine Apple rear photos can't be of this pub.PS Just noticed that this building is marked "PH" on the 1906 map.    

[Si]

This 1901 Leodis picture shows the east end of Cornhill, and therefore the building immediately behind the dapper gentleman is the rear of the Hop Pole pub.

[Si]

As an aside, I was wondering what the strange half-moon shape above the bloke in the previous picture was - perhaps a pub sign?Then I came across this picture of Atack Place, which is behind the derelict buildings in the previous picture. Look at the roof on the right - weird innit?        

[chemimike]

There seems to have been some renumbering, but before 1870. The 1834 does list the Hop ole at no 24. However the 1872 directory (which lists idividual streets) gives it as no 51 ands the 1893 Kellys gives it as no 47, both on the north side of the street. Both would agree with Si's conclusions . I think numbering was a bit rough & ready about then.

[DEE]

Hello Si, thanks for the info. I dont actually know which is my ancestral Myrtle St as the address they moved to (Wingham Terrace is nearer the leeds central one but I do know one of the offspring is buried in Beeston in later life, which is nearer the other Myrtle. I will have to find the entry on the 1861 census to see which other streets it is near/ward it is in. They lived at number 149 so do both streets on your map have capacity for that number of buildings?

[jim]

Hi Si. Does the Leodis caption mention an early prototype Belisha Beacon? A pole for a barbers shop for very tall men? As one who has sat at Tilly's feet, I think we should be told!