Pine Apple Inn, Quarry Hill

Si · Post by Si » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 3:53 pm

That's true, unless they were knocked-through at a later date? The pub's frontage is very small.

Post by **cnosni** » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 4:03 pm

Ok Si,taking the best guess i can here.The pic looking down back High Street shows the corner with St Peters Street.The back of the pub would appear to be the 4th property from this juncture.Comare with the 1847 map and i think it could be the coresponding building(with what looks like a passage /ginnel) that has some writing on it.I note the railings of the properties on High Street have their railings marked on the map.

chemimike · Post by **chemimike** » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 4:15 pm

I can't be absolutely certain, but I have marked an item in blue on the map. This, i think , says Leak Yard. From the 1893 kellys directory, no 32 was on the south side between St Peters St & Lemon St , the numbering of which (even nos) goes from 2- about 100. Lemon st is just off the map to the right. Leak's yard is listed as between nos 46 & 54. There are too many numbers for each house to be correspond to one even number, so it is not possible to just count down from Leak's yard. However the back picture of the pub shows a long yard with a narrow entrance at the end nearedt "back high St", with a longish building on the right of this back entrance, and a small shed to the left of the back entrance. This , as far as i can see must be one of the yards marked in red . The one that fits most in shape to the picture from the back is the yard to the back of the building marked in orange. This is about where you would expect no 32 to be by a rough estimate. hope you follow my rather complicated reasoning.PSDidn't see Cardiarms comment, but he would seem to agree with me

Si · Post by Si » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 4:35 pm

Hi Chris. If you enlarge the picture looking down Back High Street, I think the pub is more than four properties from the junction. The writing on that building appears to say "Spa Pump," and the yard is called "Corden Grey Yard."Hi Chemimike. Yes, your reasoning makes sense. Your best guess corresponds with Cardiarms'. I suppose the back of the pub may have been altered between the map being drawn and 1901, when the photos were taken, making the pub bigger and the rear door flush with next door's. The brickwork of the two properties looks different in photo 2. As pointed out by Cnosni, the railings at the front don't match the photo, but they could have been altered too.Thanks for your help, everyone.

Si · Post by Si » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 4:45 pm

I've altered Chemimikes map to show where the pictures were (possibly) taken. The blue arrow is obviously the pub front. The red arrows show pictures one, two and three. I think this highlights the 'awkward' back wall. Sorry about the wobbly lines!

Post by **cnosni** » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 9:23 pm

Si wrote: Hi Chris. If you enlarge the picture looking down Back High Street, I think the pub is more than four properties from the junction. The writing on that building appears to say "Spa Pump," and the yard is called "Corden Grey Yard."Hi Chemimike. Yes, your reasoning makes sense. Your best guess corresponds with Cardiarms'. I suppose the back of the pub may have been altered between the map being drawn and 1901, when the photos were taken, making the pub bigger and the rear door flush with next door's. The brickwork of the two properties looks different in photo 2. As pointed out by Cnosni, the railings at the front don't match the photo, but they could have been altered too.Thanks for your help, everyone. Have another look Si,all you need to do is to look at the different heights of the buildings to estimate that its either the 4th of 5th property.I reckon that if you look at Chemimikes map his extreme left property he has hilighted in pink would seem to match the layout of what we have seen in the pictures,it has a ginnel and also a back door to the part of the property fronting High Street,it would also appear to be between 4 and 5 properties from the corner of Back High Street and St Peters Street. It is also the most westerley property with permanant railings in front it on High Street,compare to the first photo which shows the pub with metal railings,yet the propert to the right has a rickety wooden fence

DEE · Post by **DEE** » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 9:34 pm

I noticed on the maps that there was a Barkers Yard nearby. I had ancestors that came from that area and lived in Barkers Buildings in 1904, does anybody have a map showing if the buildings were in Barkers Yard please? Also does anybody have a map showing Myrtle St around 1861, Brown St around 1881 or Wingham Terrace around 1864?

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 11:05 pm

I suspect I am going to seem stupid asking this but as I'm unsure I will. Is the Quarry Hill being discussed that in Leeds where the famous flats used to be? There will have been demolition since the maps but there seems to be no same road names at all currently that I'm aware of in the area. To add to my confusion though St Peter's is (I think) a name for the Leeds Parish Church which is very near to what were the Quarry Hill flats. I'm confused, but that's easily done!

chemimike · Post by **chemimike** » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 11:37 pm

(/quote) Have another look Si,all you need to do is to look at the different heights of the buildings to estimate that its either the 4th of 5th property.I reckon that if you look at Chemimikes map his extreme left property he has hilighted in pink would seem to match the layout of what we have seen in the pictures,it has a ginnel and also a back door to the part of the property fronting High Street,it would also appear to be between 4 and 5 properties from the corner of Back High Street and St Peters Street. It is also the most westerley property with permanant railings in front it on High Street,compare to the first photo which shows the pub with metal railings,yet the propert to the right has a rickety wooden fence (/quote)The only thing is that that property has the ginnel to the extreme left against the building to the left of it, with no structure on the left hand side between the gate and the wall. It could have changed of course between the map and hte picture.

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Wed 28 Jul, 2010 8:57 am

Leodian wrote: I suspect I am going to seem stupid asking this but as I'm unsure I will. Is the Quarry Hill being discussed that in Leeds where the famous flats used to be? There will have been demolition since the maps but there seems to be no same road names at all currently that I'm aware of in the area. To add to my confusion though St Peter's is (I think) a name for the Leeds Parish Church which is very near to what were the Quarry Hill flats. I'm confused, but that's easily done! Your not stupid, all the area mapped was pulled down for Quarry Hill flats, and all the street names lost, and yes the Parish church was very near.....