Leeds in the 1870s

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Sun 06 Jun, 2010 4:39 am

Oh yeah, I've chased down every possible variation of the name and have recently begun searching on Hastings to see if I can find anything. This is such an interesting search, I pick up one thread and begin following it and it leads me off to another thread and another thread and I just keep following them. I realize that it's possible that their name is spelled one way in one census and another census is going to have another variaiton so I try and write down names, dates, etc., so I can chase from one census to another.I didn't respond to an earlier posting about the financial question of why they would go over to the US in December and then again in April and it also has puzzled me for some time, but when you look at the records, the names and ages all match so I'm not certain why, if indeed they went twice, they did, who they would have left the baby with when they went the first time and if they were leaving the baby, why not leave the rest of the kids if they were doing a scouting trip, or why Henry didn't go by himself. There's a story there and we just have to find out what it is.

Post by **cnosni** » Sun 06 Jun, 2010 11:48 am

Dakota wrote: I just checked my tree and don't have an Ann Astin hiding amongst the leafy foliage. My tree is called something like Hanson family tree South Dakota. Was that the tree you were looking in?? If not, send me your email address and I'll send you an invite to rummage and basically run amok if you'd like.There's always been a confusion over what Ann's last name was, but since we were able to find a marriage certificate for her and David Coultas, I went with what was on there (Austing), although I've also found something, can't remember what it is right now, that said Hastings. I figure it's a pronunciation thing, since the majority of my relatives didn't seem to be able to read or write, it's probable that when someone like a census taker said "do you spell that......." if it sounded close they'd go with whatever was offered by the census taker or others that could write. Previous message by Dakota"Sarah was born to David Coultas, Collier, and Ann Austing on February 23, 1869. Her parents live in a house on Old Lane in Bowling."Sorry i thought that i found your tree http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/122398 ... 6154048but it would appear that these persons are the same as yours but with different ancestors.This tree shows Ann as Ann Astin born Halifax with a mother Susannah Tattersal.Thats what i was questioning as there seems no foundation in what that particular tree shows prior to the details that you have already provided.Found another tree (along with 16 others) with the same David Coultas, Ann Austing and Sarah as yours.http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/217870 ... 1804Though these tree shows Sarahs birth year as 1849 (not 1869),so there is more conflict with what you provided.It looks as though there are the same photos on these other trees so i assume that the contiibutors have all swapped info,if so then some of them need the places of birth amending from Bradford in Devon to Bradford Yorkshire.As for Henry Wells mother Betty Tetley i have found 3 possible baptisms on the IGIBETTY TETLEY - Christening: 05 JUN 1811 Bradford, Yorkshire, father John (Batch K157781 )BETTY TETLEY Christening: 20 FEB 1814 Bradford, Yorkshire, parents William and Hannah (Batch C107651)BETTY TETLEY Christening: 28 FEB 1813 Bradford, Yorkshire,parents George and Abia (Batch C107651 )probably married Bradford 8th Decenber 1811 (Batch M107655)George Tetley and Abiah Hill.I note that Henry Wells would appear to have had a sister"Obiah"Wells born 1857,this could well be a clue to the Betty Tetley at this christening being yours as her mother is an Abiah/Abia which sounds very similar to Obiah.If this is the case then Betty would have the following siblings,all born to George and Abbia/Abiah, batch number C107651GEORGE TETLEY Christening: 06 APR 1817 Bradford, Yorkshire HANNAH TETLEY -Christening: 11 APR 1819 Bradford, YorkshireJAMES TETLEY - Christening: 20 APR 1821 Bradford, YorkshireMARY TETLEY - Christening: 01 OCT 1823 Bradford, YorkshireHENRY TETLEY -Christening: 27 JUL 1825 Bradford, Yorkshire and alsoELIZA TETLEY Christening: 24 SEP 1828 Bradford, Yorkshire, Batch number C107652To further add weight to this possibilty you can find a George Tetley in the 1851 census http://search.ancestry.co.uk/browse/vie ... y&st=gThis George is shown as born North Bierley near Bradford circa 1793.He is lliving in Bowling ,widower,with children Hannah aged 32,born Bowling (equates to birth year of 1819)Henry aged 26,widower,born Bowling (equates birth year of 1825)As you can see the two children ages match with the baptism years shown above and therefore i believe we have the George Tetley who married Abia/Abiah Hill.His condition in 1851, widower,is supported by a death registered Bradford oct-dec 1844,ref 23/60 of an Abia TetleyYou will als note that the Henry and Hannah Tetley are shown as being born in Bowling,the same place as your Betty Tetley who married William Wells.It would be reasonable to assume that given Georges place of residence in the 1851 census ,Bowling,and the places of birth for Henry and Hannah also being Bowling then the baptism of a Betty Tetley at Bradford 28th February 1813,parents George and Abia,would probably be your Betty.To confirm this then it would really require a search of the deaths at Bradford following February 1813 to see if Betty survived at least til adulthood to have enabled her to marry.STOP PRESSWhilst composing this message i checked the 1841 census for George Tetley.The 1841 census shows George Tetley,he appears in Bowlinghttp://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8978&iid=WRYHO107_1292_1293-0389&fn=George&ln=Tetley&st=d&ssrc=&pid=12309145.His wife Abia is on the next page along with Hannah,Mary and Henry Tetley.There is alsoElizabeth Wells aged 7This is probably the Elizabeth Wells born 1835 in your tree,daughter of William Wells and Betty Tetley.This is further confirmed by the absence of daughter Elizabeth Wells in the household of William Wells and Betty Tetley in the 1841 census in Tong.I think thats your proof

Post by **cnosni** » Sun 06 Jun, 2010 12:32 pm

The aforementioned Ancestry tree http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/165548 ... 247534Also maintains a Halifax connection,but showing your Ann Asting as being born Bowling in 1824 (no naptism to match) and having siblings born and baptised in Halifax to a Thomas Asting/Astin and Sarah.The tree shows this Thomas Astin/Asting as living in Halifax in the 1841 census with a daughter Ann aged 15,this age would match your Ann.Quite how this connection isnt clear,especially as it would appear that this Thomas Asting was in Halifax from at least 1828 and probably 1819 as there is a marriage at Halifax 06/12/1819 of a Thomas Astin and Sarah Hemingway.Perhaps there is the possibility that Thomas and Sarah lived for a while in Bradford,had Ann,moved back to Halifax and that Ann nade her way to Bradford where she married,but i cannot find any evidence of a baptism of an Ann Astin.Asting or variant to match.Certainly the ages and names match your Ann and her father.

Post by **cnosni** » Sun 06 Jun, 2010 12:48 pm

2 possible records for a birth of George Tetley in Bradford circa 1793.one is an one is a PR record,second an IGI member submission with no source. GEORGE TETLEY Christening: 22 JAN 1792 Bradford, Yorkshire son of John batch number J107655 George Tetley -Christening: 15 JUL 1792 Bradford, Yorkshire, son of a John Naylor Tetley and Elizabeth MannIGI submissionBaptism of a Abiah Hill at BradfordABIAH HILL - : 12 AUG 1792 Bradford, Yorkshire, England shown as male christening,father Jamesanother submission relating to the same baptism shows that she is born Bowling

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Sun 06 Jun, 2010 2:42 pm

WOW - this is going to keep me going all day. Well, first I have to do some pressure washing and then plant the rest of my flowers, but once I have the opportunity to sit down with this, I'm there. Thank you.I do have Sarah Coultas's entry of registry for birth and it is 1849, if I put 1869 that's my bad as she was married in 1865........When I first started doing this, I would take in the information from other trees until I noticed that sometimes a woman was shown as giving birth a good 20 years after she had died or had 3 children in the same year - each 4 months apart. So I've been going back and cleaning up the information and trying to make certain that I have a source for the information I'm putting in my tree. I got an ancestry hint that showed my great grandmother, Henriette dying in France - I sent an email to that tree owner explaining that while Henriette might have really enjoyed a trip to France, the fact is that she was born on the farm to very poor parents in Iowa, moved to Minnesota married an older Norweigan farmer, had a number of children and died in childbirth when she was something like 42, so it's just not possible that she ever hit the shores of France. Sadly, they still have her kicking the bucket in France. Oh well.........

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Sun 06 Jun, 2010 3:16 pm

Okay, while my husband has nicely moved the pressure washer into place for me and is looking at me in a quizzicle way, like "get your butt out here and start working", I went back and was re-reading your messages and clicking on some of the links - what's interesting is the name Hill pops up - I believe that David Coultas' second wife Elizabeth Arnold was born a Hill, based upon the fact that in the 1881 census her mother is shown as living with them and her name is Jemima Hill. Also, the Naylor name has popped up in some branches so that's another good clue as to where that came from.Alas, work is calling and I should get going on it as it's supposed to hit around 92 today and it's very muggy here so I should do this while the temperature hasn't hit the expected high, but it's really hard to walk away from all of this informaiton right now.the scraping sound you hear is my toenails digging in as I'm being dragged away from the computer.............

dogduke · Post by **dogduke** » Mon 07 Jun, 2010 12:08 am

Hi Dakota,I think you needs to update your profile from retired to being'flogged to death'Get that husband to pay somebody !

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 07 Jun, 2010 12:33 am

dogduke wrote: Hi Dakota,I think you needs to update your profile from retired to being'flogged to death'Get that husband to pay somebody ! and that coal wont polish itself you know

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Mon 07 Jun, 2010 1:08 am

Well, I actually like doing the pressure washing and he nicely moves the machine into place for me, starts it and comes and fills it when it runs out of gas, so i can't really complain.........Some previous owner had decided that it would look really cool to paint the concrete step going into the pool house and if it's wet when you hit that patch, you go flying. I spent all last summer calling out to people to be careful when they walked over that way and we've got some very young grandkids coming to visit along with a pregnant daughter-in-law and I don't want any broken bones, so I told him I wanted to work on that portion today. But, as it turns out it got just way too hot for me to be working out in the sun after I planted some flowers so he suggested I try it another day. Which I shall. He does pay someone to do the yardwork and housework, so I can't really complain about being overworked.......

Si · Post by Si » Mon 07 Jun, 2010 2:20 pm

drapesy wrote: Fascinating stuff, Dakota - I really enjoyed reading your family's story. This has been one of Secret Leeds most interesting threads for a long time I think. Indeed. Great stuff - now even more interesting since Dakota has added more detail, and Cnosni has got his research head on!