Scarbrough's Hotel

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri 02 Apr, 2010 5:30 pm

Liits, I believe the white building was not in place at the time of the 1847 OS map you show with arrow, but is just to the south of that site on the 1906 map, to the west of the benchmark.It can be seen on Leodis pictures 2002103_83524722 and 2002102_7558840, or, to make it easier, if you look up Bishopgate Street on Leodis pictures 15 and 17, and show it in the 1950s.Scarbrough's Hotel is at the other side of the road on the 1847 map and is so labelled--but with an "o" between the "b" and the "r"---a strange point of contention, when both OS and Census records have the "o", yet several sources and both signs on the present pub make a firm statement otherwise! It does not appear on the 1906 map, and it's site is then and now mostly part of the widened road.

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri 02 Apr, 2010 6:13 pm

Something else I should have included in my last post---on the picture that led to Cardiarms original question posted on the Leeds Station arches thread that led to this discussion, Scarbrough's Hotel is actually to the left of the white building, and can only just be discerned amongst the general murk on the left-hand side of the view.

Post by **cnosni** » Fri 02 Apr, 2010 8:01 pm

jim wrote: Something else I should have included in my last post---on the picture that led to Cardiarms original question posted on the Leeds Station arches thread that led to this discussion, Scarbrough's Hotel is actually to the left of the white building, and can only just be discerned amongst the general murk on the left-hand side of the view. Jim,in Cardis picture the buildinng to the left of the white one is Heptons

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Fri 02 Apr, 2010 8:56 pm

jim wrote: the building so identified on the 1847 OS map (available as Godfrey Edition Leeds Sheet 15) was, as Barrie Pepper's book "Old Inns and Pubs of Leeds" tells us, named after Henry ScarboroughBy carefully scaling and measuring the building, it's relationship to the surrounding buildings and, in particular the width of Bishopgate Street to it's west, and comparing the 1847 and 1906 OS maps I conclude 1) That it was demolished for road widening at around the turn of the C19th. 2) That a new establishment called "The Scarborough Hotel" was built as its successor, but on the site of the two small buildings adjoining the original to its south-east and the access road to the south east of them.I realise that some may find this view contentious, so leave the subject for the time_being to give them the opportunity to make their views known. I have just realised what a gem the Scabby Taps is. Has been for years. A great place to meet up and a great place to finish the night!!I enjoyed finding the old Scabby building on Leodis - three storeys? and then the modern(ish) one we have today.My own sketchy recollections of the building today is that it dates back "in part" to many years ago, but the current frontage is rather modern(ish).So I feel "in me water" that the rebuild may not have been a complete rebuild?? I also think this was another of the Tetley heritage pubs so that may be where I have read a bit of it's history......Forgive me if I am way off here though!

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri 02 Apr, 2010 9:02 pm

Hi Cnosni, there is confusion in my mind as to which building is referred to on Leodis. My reference is specifically to the building identified on the 1847 OS map as displayed on this thread by Liits. It's position in photographs is unmistakable, due to it's considerable protrusion into Bishopgate Street-- some 50' by my measurement-- and it's possession of a clear pub/inn frontage presented to the City Square direction.As to the Hepton description I see three possibilities:-1) The photograph description suffers from an occasional fault of mine- Rs from Lbow transposition!2)The description refers in fact to the buildings between the Bank and the Hotel.3)BOTH attributions may be in fact applied to the one building. I am still trying to locate a reference to the ongoing history of the building which I recall clearly and which described the Hotel's failure to attract a viable clientele in its later years, resulting in it's sale and subsequent letting for commercial purposes except I think for the public bars.I only wish my memory of where exactly I read it was as clear! Unfortunately it may have been in a library book, or even in one of the YEP's occasional pieces.I would find it very unlikely that the Ordinance Survey's inscribed identification of this building would be in error............and surely not for licensed premises!

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri 02 Apr, 2010 9:10 pm

Parksider our contributions crossed in the posting. If my reading of the maps are correct, then the establishment moved "one to the right" as it were at around the turn of the C19th. In that event it is a new building on a new site.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Wed 07 Apr, 2010 11:15 pm

The current pub has some informative plaques on the wall, statin it was an extension to the original.

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Wed 07 Apr, 2010 11:17 pm

Cardiarms wrote: The current pub has some informative plaques on the wall, statin it was an extension to the original. That's what I thought, but how far the old bits are a part of the new bits are debatable as per Jims stance!!Get the slide rules out!!

jim · Post by **jim** » Thu 08 Apr, 2010 10:43 am

I think (hope!) I can answer some of Cnosni's questions about Leodis photo 362 that he posed when this topic originated on the Leeds Station Secret World thread, post of 29th March, 15.46.The photo is taken from inside the part-demolished old "Scarbrough's Hotel, probably two-thirds of the way along the second floor from the City Square end. The white wall to the left is the remains of an internal partition wall, the SE end wall has nearly all gone down to the floorboards of the SE-most room, and the next three visible roof lines are those of the later (and extant) "The Scarbrough Hotel".If one crosses New Station Street to the taxi pick-up point and looks across Bishopgate Street, these roof lines are still to be seen behind the pub's "false front", although the chimney stacks have gone.The comment on this photo that the building in the background was a "factory/warehouse" was mistaken, it is of course the side wall of Leeds New Station. I have informed Leodis of this and they have amended the entry.

The Doggers · Post by **The Doggers** » Thu 08 Apr, 2010 12:42 pm

Has anybody seen this before?"The Tourist's Companion or The History of the Scenes and Places on the route by the rail road and steam packet From Leeds and Selby To Hull"http://www.archive.org/stream/touristsc ... djvu.txtIt mentions some stuff around the station, including mention of School Close Bridge being a footbridge, at least I think that's what is meant. Could be quite an interesting read, but there's a lot of it!