Lost ginnel to be finally lost?

[cnosni]

chameleon wrote: Could this potential right of way impact upon the Arena? DONT EVEN GO THERE!!!!

[chameleon]

cnosni wrote: chameleon wrote: Could this potential right of way impact upon the Arena? DONT EVEN GO THERE!!!! Well, that woke you up didn't it Rambler's Associatiohn win where Yorkshire Forward's masters failed.....!

[Phill_dvsn]

chameleon wrote: cnosni wrote: chameleon wrote: Could this potential right of way impact upon the Arena? DONT EVEN GO THERE!!!! Well, that woke you up didn't it Rambler's Associatiohn win where Yorkshire Forward's masters failed.....! I'm going to let Sheffield council know about this right of way-if Csnosi doesn't wrangle this underground station thing soon lol     

[The Parksider]

Cardiarms wrote: On the 1906 town centre map there's a ginnel that runs diagonally from the back of the drill hall on Clay Pit Lane to Columba street/Wade lane, roughly where Tower House is on Merrion Way. It's gone for many years now, cleared with brunswick Terrace but the diagonal building line at the top end by the Yorkshire Bank and the old poly building can still be seen on google, for now. The ginnel seems to be consistent with the Holbeck ginnel in which a "building line" of diagonal proportions needlessly cuts through victorian developments. Such ginnels probably had a purpose, but seemingly serve no purpose in later manifestation and the small houses and grids of cobbled streets made access by foot easy amongst the victorian streets. The Holbeck ginnel is suggested as the old roadway into Leeds from Holbeck village through what once would have been fields. Whilst fields were sold to build on as "lots" which the 1906 maps actually number, and public right of way may not have been for sale at that time.That Victorians would ride roughshod when developing is one thought, another is that the same victorians may have been protective of their rights of way.So what was the ginnel you note originally for??In one direction it seems to head off to Meanwood. In the other it runs straight towards St.Johns church as the crow flies. Maybe remnant of an old Buslingthorpe to Leeds road??If it is called Wade passage wasn't general Wade a bit of a road builder??? Or was that Alfred McAlpine and Tramac Ltd?Was the old road from Buslingthopre ot St. Johns church surfaced by General Wade during his time in leeds?? Am I getting fanciful??I can't get on old maps to see the 1854 layout for clues, nor find my 1847 repro map of leeds (a belter).......Maybe they give cluse and maybe they will show the path in a less truncated version that will reveal all??????

[The Parksider]

The Parksider wrote: I can't get on old maps to see the 1854 layout for clues, nor find my 1847 repro map of leeds (a belter)....... I did get on the tithe map and the ginnel is there probably as a narrow cartway. It doesn't extend any further at that time to it's 1906 course, but take a line NW and there's a bit of road on the same line to meanwood, beyond clay pit lane.What intersects these two lines are fields - all numbered. So I just wonder if this wasn't an ancient or medieval trackway between Buslingthorpe and Leeds St. Johns that was cut up by enclosure in the 1700's but remained as right of way in part into the 1800's at the time of Leeds expansion.My best guess. bet there's some real smart leeds historians will have a better idea but I suspect many don't come on this site??

[tyke bhoy]

The track of it also bisects the modern day Wade Lane but whether that is just a modern incarnation or not I couldn't comment.

[chameleon]

The Parksider wrote: The Parksider wrote: I can't get on old maps to see the 1854 layout for clues, nor find my 1847 repro map of leeds (a belter)....... I did get on the tithe map and the ginnel is there probably as a narrow cartway. It doesn't extend any further at that time to it's 1906 course, but take a line NW and there's a bit of road on the same line to meanwood, beyond clay pit lane.What intersects these two lines are fields - all numbered. So I just wonder if this wasn't an ancient or medieval trackway between Buslingthorpe and Leeds St. Johns that was cut up by enclosure in the 1700's but remained as right of way in part into the 1800's at the time of Leeds expansion.My best guess. bet there's some real smart leeds historians will have a better idea but I suspect many don't come on this site?? (Their loss as well as ours)

[Si]

cnosni wrote: Si wrote: cnosni wrote: Si wrote: Another Leodis pic shows Wade Passage during demolition. It's the path running across the middle. Ms Hepper must have been a local landlady, as she is named as owner on all three photos. Sorry Si,not good enough im afraid,cant get my head around the pics in relation to whats left.You and Brandy are Kings of the maps,sort it out!! No, you're thinking of Liits! I thought you were a dab hand as well. Impossibly complicated new scanner + total lack of computer know-how = high blood pressure.I finally got it to post! If you want it superimposed onto Google Earth, you can get stuffed!!!     

[Si]

Here is the 1847 OS map. (Click on the image to enlarge it.) You can just see the end of Wade Passage at the top beside Potter's Alms Houses. Note how it points straight to St John's, as mentioned by Parksider. Cobourg Street doesn't exist at this time. Also note Wade House at the junction of Wade Lane and Merrion Street, "occupied by General Wade in 1745."    

[tyke bhoy]

Cardiarms wrote: Aerial photo of it during 1960's clearance:http://www.leodis.org/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL Trying to make sense of the aerial photograph.To the middle of the left hand side is a cleared triangle of land currently home of Leeds College, previously Leeds Technology College and before that Kitson. This would make the road running diagonally up its left side cookridge street and the white buildings the modern day Walkabout.Follow the direction of Cookridge Street across Woodhouse Lane and you can see Queens Square with the familiar curved wall of the Cobourg Pub to the bottom right. Clay Pit Lane follows the line of that curve and heads off towards the top middle of the picture.The two rows of cars that start opposite the cobourg seem to be stood on what is now the Yorkshire Bank HQ and Stick and Twist and the new opal3 (formerly where the Londoner Pub was). The road on the bottom edge seems to follow the modern day Merrion Way with the diagonal bisection. I probably ought to know what the circular building middle right is but unfortunately don’t.The road running almost horizontally from the middle to the right almost at the bottom is now Merrion Street and you can see St Johns Church to the bottom right with New Briggate? down the right edge. The curved road running down the right I am guessing is Wade Lane