Family History

carith · Post by **carith** » Mon 08 Mar, 2010 9:04 pm

CNOSNI one certificate is registered under the mothers name who was unmarried. The other states a fathers name on the certificate and this birth is also registered under the fathers surname.

weenie · Post by **weenie** » Mon 08 Mar, 2010 9:23 pm

I have two birth registrations, 1 when i was born as my parents were not married at the time and i had been down as my mothers surname and then, when my parents were married with my fathers name. maybe this is what has happened here?

carith · Post by **carith** » Mon 08 Mar, 2010 9:43 pm

weenieNiether of these two parents married each other.

weenie · Post by **weenie** » Mon 08 Mar, 2010 10:21 pm

Are they registered within the same year? a possibility is that the father wanted his name on the record, it is legal to change the name within a childs first year. ? maybe this is what has happend or even so the father has to be there if unmarried to be put on the entry

weenie · Post by **weenie** » Mon 08 Mar, 2010 10:48 pm

Hi again guys nxt piece in my puzzle with my tree. this one is a stinker!! i am looking for John Morton B1857 Rothwell married Martha Elizabeth Harrison 1878 Leeds, had 5 children all born Holbeck , Hunslet i can find him on all census upto 1901 i have found Martha on the 1901 census with the children in Hunslet she is listed as still married, but John is no where to be found? no death either. i have also found that she married a Irvine Shuttleworth 14 years her junior in 1910 am wondering if he may have served in Boer war, if this is possible could i be able to find the service records or something to tye him in with. many thanx

uncle mick · Post by **uncle mick** » Tue 09 Mar, 2010 11:04 am

carith wrote: I have been trying to trace a birth on the Find my past website and found two entries for the same person but under different surnames. I thought that this could only be done if the said person had been adopted. This person had never been adopted so are there any other reason that this could have occured I have come across this in my own research.It occurred when the parents were unmarried.Lets suppose the childs name was John,his mothers surname was Smith and his fathers surname Brown.He would be registered as John Smith and John Brown. I hope that makes sense Michael

carith · Post by **carith** » Tue 09 Mar, 2010 4:27 pm

Thanks everyone I have now resolved the problem. There appeared to be two names registered for the birth but only one cetificate issued.

Post by **cnosni** » Tue 09 Mar, 2010 9:28 pm

carith wrote: Thanks everyone I have now resolved the problem. There appeared to be two names registered for the birth but only one cetificate issued. Im getting confused here.Are there two seperate birth certificates with two seperate records of birth registration on the GRO?If so then they are two seperate births of two seperate children,not the same child registered twice.If you could provide the details of what is on the certificates then it would help.

Post by **cnosni** » Tue 09 Mar, 2010 9:32 pm

uncle mick wrote: carith wrote: I have been trying to trace a birth on the Find my past website and found two entries for the same person but under different surnames. I thought that this could only be done if the said person had been adopted. This person had never been adopted so are there any other reason that this could have occured I have come across this in my own research.It occurred when the parents were unmarried.Lets suppose the childs name was John,his mothers surname was Smith and his fathers surname Brown.He would be registered as John Smith and John Brown. I hope that makes sense Michael Hi Uncle MickI have lots of unmarried couples having children in the 19th century,ive not had any of them being registered twice.I have had them naming their children with the fathers surname but alos having the mothers surname as a middle name,not as a double barrelled surname.If thats the case then its a first for me.Its especially odd as it wasnt cheap to register anything in the 19th century,hence a lot of poor people didnt even bother until fines for non registration were introduced in 1865.

uncle mick · Post by **uncle mick** » Wed 10 Mar, 2010 8:07 am

cnosni wrote: uncle mick wrote: carith wrote: I have been trying to trace a birth on the Find my past website and found two entries for the same person but under different surnames. I thought that this could only be done if the said person had been adopted. This person had never been adopted so are there any other reason that this could have occured I have come across this in my own research.It occurred when the parents were unmarried.Lets suppose the childs name was John,his mothers surname was Smith and his fathers surname Brown.He would be registered as John Smith and John Brown. I hope that makes sense Michael Hi Uncle MickI have lots of unmarried couples having children in the 19th century,ive not had any of them being registered twice.I have had them naming their children with the fathers surname but alos having the mothers surname as a middle name,not as a double barrelled surname.If thats the case then its a first for me.Its especially odd as it wasnt cheap to register anything in the 19th century,hence a lot of poor people didnt even bother until fines for non registration were introduced in 1865. Cnosni. I have just come across this in the last few weeks. I was doing a family tree for someone born in 1941. He was born out of wedlock and when tracing his b/cert I noticed he was registered twice,once in his fathers surname and once in his mothers surname. I sent both both certs (both the same). I don't know if it was common practice but it certainly happened in this case. Michael P.S. His mother had been married before