Wallace Arnold

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Sun 11 Oct, 2009 6:11 pm

BLAKEY wrote: Trojan wrote: BLAKEY wrote: 36 LCT to Tinshill or 36 WY/United to Harogate/Ripon ?? Trojan No Yorkshire Woollen 36 to Elland via Dewsbury Road, Wide Lane, Middleton Road, Queen Street and Morley Town Hall. Oh silly me - how could I forget that ?? I had a friend in Middleton Road just before the top of Wide Lane and used the 36 Elland frequently in the early 1950s. The journey was quite far enough in the famous "chassisless" Leyland/MCW Olympics. The large powerful engines and the poor road surfaces soon reduced the inadequate MCW body structures to shivering thumping ordeals.Mind you to be fair they had a plausible and reasonable excuse in those days as this method of "integral" construction had not been too widespread before. The samw aquittal cannot be granted nowadays to a certain manufacturer across the Irish Sea !! It was always quicker from Morley to Leeds on the 36, the 52/53 used to take 20 minutes, largely due to the crawl down Churwell Hill - perhaps there was a speed limit for buses on there. The 36 & 55 to Sovereign Street used to take 15 minutes. Not many people used to get on between the city boundary and Sovereign Street, so what stops there were tended to be briefer. Someone told me that the non LCT services had to charge full fare from the City boundary no matter where they picked up - you'll probably know if this is correct.

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Sun 11 Oct, 2009 6:15 pm

BLAKEY wrote: Trojan wrote: BLAKEY wrote: Usual tea stops on the way to the coasts included :-To Blackpool Commercial, GisburnTo Morecambe Cross Streets, Buckhaw BrowTo Scarborough HopGrove, YorkTo Bridlington Black Bull, YorkTo Skegness Gringley on the Hill Not the Hazelbush then on the A64- between the Hop Grove and the Four Alls? Yes I think you're right Trojan - the Hazelbush was excellent for good refreshments and easy parking - I think I'm confusing the Hop Grove with private motoring stops. All the times I went to Scarborough on the coach they always stopped at Hazelbush - but then I only went once with Wallace Arnold - it was usually the local Morley firm of Hargreaves and perhaps they had a different routine. But the Hazelbush in those days was always jammed with coaches from all over. The ladies toilets always had a long queue because they had a turnstile - it cost 1d. to pee if you were of the female persuasion. I had my first taste of Schweppes ginger beer at the Hazelbush when I wasn't very old. It's closed now though - or it was the last time I passed it. Sad.

Richard A Thackeray · Post by **Richard A Thackeray** » Sun 11 Oct, 2009 7:57 pm

BLAKEY wrote: Usual tea stops on the way to the coasts included :-To Blackpool Commercial, GisburnTo Morecambe Cross Streets, Buckhaw BrowTo Scarborough HopGrove, YorkTo Bridlington Black Bull, YorkTo Skegness Gringley on the Hill Just as a digression, Buckhaw Brow is on the 'old road' (was A65, now B6480) out of Settle, now almost deserted due to the new by-pass, with the only real traffic being local, & players at Giggleswick GolfCourse.We went over to Morecambe in August (as I was running a half-marathon over the Bay) & I drove that way after a tea-stop in Settle.As recently as the 1970's, the 'Brow' was considered almost as much of a major barrier to road traffic (due to under-powered trucks) as the A6 over Shap was!Having said that, we drove up in the XKR, & "Whoo-Boy!!!", the 'Brow' wasn't noticed!!!A Thought;Wasn't the 'Cross Streets' the name of the now closed pub on the A65 junction with Lawkland & Austwick? Or was it the 'CrossRoads'????

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Sun 11 Oct, 2009 8:51 pm

[Having said that, we drove up in the XKR, & "Whoo-Boy!!!", the 'Brow' wasn't noticed!!!A Thought;Wasn't the 'Cross Streets' the name of the now closed pub on the A65 junction with Lawkland & Austwick? Or was it the 'CrossRoads'???? No you're right - it was indeed "Cross Streets" and its now a private house.

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Sun 11 Oct, 2009 8:56 pm

[quotenick="Trojan"][quotenick="BLAKEY"][quotenick="Trojan"] BLAKEY wrote: 36 LCT to Tinshill or Not many people used to get on between the city boundary and Sovereign Street, so what stops there were tended to be briefer. Someone told me that the non LCT services had to charge full fare from the City boundary no matter where they picked up - you'll probably know if this is correct. Yes that's quite right - the "minimum fare" system was widespread on every road out of the City, and was general throughout the Country. A peculiarity with the 55 Bruntcliffe though was that, as it was jointly operated by LCT and YWD, LCT had to charge the same higher fares on that route.

Richard A Thackeray · Post by **Richard A Thackeray** » Sun 11 Oct, 2009 9:48 pm

BLAKEY wrote: RichT wrote: A Thought;Wasn't the 'Cross Streets' the name of the now closed pub on the A65 junction with Lawkland & Austwick? Or was it the 'CrossRoads'???? No you're right - it was indeed "Cross Streets" and its now a private house. I wasn't sure, but was surprised to see it closed when we passed, it doesn't seem overly long since we called in there looking for some dinner on a return from KeswickUnless it was simply the last time I went down Gaping Gill??

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Sun 11 Oct, 2009 11:12 pm

[quotenick="BLAKEY"][quotenick="Trojan"][quotenick="BLAKEY"] Trojan wrote: BLAKEY wrote: 36 LCT to Tinshill or Not many people used to get on between the city boundary and Sovereign Street, so what stops there were tended to be briefer. Someone told me that the non LCT services had to charge full fare from the City boundary no matter where they picked up - you'll probably know if this is correct. Yes that's quite right - the "minimum fare" system was widespread on every road out of the City, and was general throughout the Country. A peculiarity with the 55 Bruntcliffe though was that, as it was jointly operated by LCT and YWD, LCT had to charge the same higher fares on that route. I used to catch the 55 to Leeds on Friday evenings. It was due at 6-15 at Morley Townend, but if you were there at 6-15, you'd see it just going up to Bruntcliffe. It would be back in about 6/7 minutes. And by the time it got to Leeds be back on time, because the crew didn't take the scheduled break at Bruntcliffe. Presumably they took twice as long at Sovereign Street in the LCT canteen there.

trophy · Post by **trophy** » Mon 12 Oct, 2009 5:41 pm

farsley omnibus somtimes used WA coaches usually half cabs which had been rebodied with a full front.

Uno Hoo · Post by **Uno Hoo** » Tue 13 Oct, 2009 12:39 am

trophy wrote: farsley omnibus somtimes used WA coaches usually half cabs which had been rebodied with a full front. Yes. Quite weird looking. Often used as duplicate cars at school times. The design couldn't overcome the intrusion of the vertically mounted front engine, so the interior was still just like the original half-cab, so no increase in seating capacity.

FLOJO · Post by **FLOJO** » Tue 13 Oct, 2009 6:40 am

In the late 80's I went with 3 friends on a Wallace Arnold shopping trip to Paris leaving Friday night from the Calls and returning Sunday night, I was lucky at the time because the drivers wife worked with me and I lived on the heaths on Elland road at the time so he dropped me off outside our house with all the cases of lager we got duty free has he was going to Geldard Road depot.