Leeds lost pubs

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 11:26 pm

Cardiarms wrote: http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... AY=FULLThe White Bear - where was it? Before Thorntons Arcade on the 1847 map the pubs in the yards on the left of Briggate from Commercial street northwards went Pack Horse, William IV, Leopard, wheatsheaf, Angel, ship, rose and crown then the Talbot which looks like it went for Thornton's arcade.Three of those still stand up those yards, and of course many a seceret Leedser has been in!!Looks like the leopard and WilliamIV went for albion place and the wheatsheaf went too by 1906.Looks like the Rose and crown went, but another pub sprang up accessed from the Queens arcade half way up on the right from Briggate, half way down on the left from Lands lane.Best guess - In the Queens Arcade - anyone in town to have a look in passing??

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 11:29 pm

Cardiarms wrote: http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... AY=FULLThe White Bear - where was it? Well this is a mystery and no mistake!!!Like the person who put up the caption on Leodis I am stumped!I can name the pubs on Briggate now and in the past pretty much of the top of my head (20 +if pushed ) but no White Bear. And whilst I would never say 'never' I'm struggling to think of a White Bear anywhere in Leeds in the past 100 years.There was a White Bear on Kirkgate, but that disappears from Directories after1809!The only other ones I can think of around Leeds -are on Leeds Road Bradford (now derelict and boarded up like most pubs on Leeds Road) and of course at Tingley.Tingley actually had 2 nearby pubs - the 'Old White Bear' and the 'New White Bear' - the latter survives and has dropped the 'New' part of its name.I wonder if things are as simple as they appear in the photo though?The picture doesn't actually show a pub - only a sign with the name on it - I wonder if it might be some sort of a 'cab stop' or similar to catch transport to a 'White Bear' pub somewhere - possibly Tingley???

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 11:36 pm

Is it just an advert on the gas lamp and not actually a pub on Briggate, perhaps some small print not visible?

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 11:41 pm

I notice that the 'Last Orders' in Morley has been refurbished and is now the 'Royal' . I assume this is a (very sensible) reversion to a previous name - can anyone with better knowledge of Morley than I confirm this?

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 11:42 pm

Cardiarms wrote: Is it just an advert on the gas lamp and not actually a pub on Briggate, perhaps some small print not visible? The Queens arcade directory for the time lists the "Queens arcade Hotel" in the arcade. That is in 1906.Some of the pubs up Briggate held dual names and I still think that this may be the "White Bear" by 1910.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 11:45 pm

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... -5.53About here?

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Wed 05 Aug, 2009 12:01 am

Cardiarms wrote: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... -5.53About here? Yes but your pointer is on the other side of the road to where the sign seems to be. On the left side of the road going northwards.a tiny bit up and you can see the glass roof of the arcade. Queens arcade hotel run by Thomas Render Graham a.k.a. the white bear.That's what and where it was until someone can knock this down!!!!

zip55 · Post by **zip55** » Wed 05 Aug, 2009 5:21 am

Just been reading an old thread on pubs of the 70's ... can anyone tell me what year the Red Bear on Skinners Lane shut up shop ..?

jimithejim · Post by **jimithejim** » Wed 05 Aug, 2009 10:22 am

Apparently the Duck and Drakes re-opening on Friday evening (was talking to one of the staff on the way home last night). Hopefully it won't change much!Sorry if I sound a bit obsessed like...

Si · Post by Si » Wed 05 Aug, 2009 11:09 am

drapesy wrote: Cardiarms wrote: http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... AY=FULLThe White Bear - where was it? Well this is a mystery and no mistake!!!Like the person who put up the caption on Leodis I am stumped!I can name the pubs on Briggate now and in the past pretty much of the top of my head (20 +if pushed ) but no White Bear. And whilst I would never say 'never' I'm struggling to think of a White Bear anywhere in Leeds in the past 100 years.There was a White Bear on Kirkgate, but that disappears from Directories after1809!The only other ones I can think of around Leeds -are on Leeds Road Bradford (now derelict and boarded up like most pubs on Leeds Road) and of course at Tingley.Tingley actually had 2 nearby pubs - the 'Old White Bear' and the 'New White Bear' - the latter survives and has dropped the 'New' part of its name.I wonder if things are as simple as they appear in the photo though?The picture doesn't actually show a pub - only a sign with the name on it - I wonder if it might be some sort of a 'cab stop' or similar to catch transport to a 'White Bear' pub somewhere - possibly Tingley??? Your theory sounds feasible, Drapesy, if the White Bear at Tingley was as well known then as it is now. (BTW, there's a White Bear in Idle, too.)The drawing is definately a bear, isn't it?