Property disaster

Post by **chameleon** » Thu 12 Mar, 2009 12:34 pm

Not sure tyke bhoy - it seems to me that the majority of contiuing development is where an organisation is custom building for a specific purpose. Speculative development is sparse, save perhaps the Trinity site as a major exception.Linfoot of Lumiere and others has gone under as you will know.

Post by **cnosni** » Fri 13 Mar, 2009 1:27 am

chameleon wrote: Not sure tyke bhoy - it seems to me that the majority of contiuing development is where an organisation is custom building for a specific purpose. Speculative development is sparse, save perhaps the Trinity site as a major exception.Linfoot of Lumiere and others has gone under as you will know. Linfoots were only the agents for selling,the other partners,for the time being,are commited to complete Lumiere when the conditions are right.A little source tells me that the devlopment will not be on the same scale as the original.

biggee99 · Post by **biggee99** » Fri 13 Mar, 2009 8:58 am

1600 apartments are empty and yes these are the slums of the future. history always repeats its self Quarry hill flats think back how many flats they were in Leeds city and where are they now knocked down, to start again building flats apartments.Just drive past these at night time and tell me how many lights are on these flats and apartments you can see and you will be shocked, the hard times are here and get used to it. The News tells you nothing what's going on This is secret Leeds and the UK.

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 13 Mar, 2009 9:12 am

cnosni wrote: chameleon wrote: Not sure tyke bhoy - it seems to me that the majority of contiuing development is where an organisation is custom building for a specific purpose. Speculative development is sparse, save perhaps the Trinity site as a major exception.Linfoot of Lumiere and others has gone under as you will know. Linfoots were only the agents for selling,the other partners,for the time being,are commited to complete Lumiere when the conditions are right.A little source tells me that the devlopment will not be on the same scale as the original. I'm surprised at that, it was a partnership and the other partners have confirmed their comiitment as you say but, Linfoot has been widely shown as the Principal Developer in this project along with his others.

biggee99 · Post by **biggee99** » Fri 13 Mar, 2009 10:21 am

Linfoot has backed off big style as well, the new big building has been put on hold, don't beleive the news papers or the news they are holding out now on the public.

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Fri 27 Mar, 2009 8:24 pm

tyke bhoy wrote: Are there signs of a building revival? A crane has gone back up on the Indigo site at the junction of Crown Point Road and Great Wilson Street/Hunslet Road. Too early to say whether it purpose is to recommence building or to even more mothball (deep 7?) the site. Its definitely a recommencement of the building. girders have gone upfor the frame

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » Fri 27 Mar, 2009 9:17 pm

I don't quite understand how people equate the "city living" flats with the slums of the future (a la the highrises of the 60s).And surely all it says it that the naysayers haven't really thougt it through.There's one 'slight' difference between then and now ie the 60s highrise slums were council housing and always a disaster waiting to happen.City living is 100% private and unless the council want to negotaite their way through an exceedingly intricate and inhospitable legal jungle (not that the council could ever afford to buy them anyway) will remain that way ...so how and when exactly will they become slums?

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Fri 27 Mar, 2009 9:48 pm

Catweazle wrote: I don't quite understand how people equate the "city living" flats with the slums of the future (a la the highrises of the 60s).And surely all it says it that the naysayers haven't really thougt it through.There's one 'slight' difference between then and now ie the 60s highrise slums were council housing and always a disaster waiting to happen.City living is 100% private and unless the council want to negotaite their way through an exceedingly intricate and inhospitable legal jungle (not that the council could ever afford to buy them anyway) will remain that way ...so how and when exactly will they become slums? There are already documented problems at several developments in the city centre with noise nuisance, which is largely blamed on students* being out all night and arriving back in the early hours and having parties, etc that go on until dawn. Apparently in one development these are becoming the only tenants speculative buyers can get, which is upsetting those who live there and have to go to work for a living due to the constant disturbance.Then there is the now infamous issue of laminate flooring - yes it looks good in the publicity shots but try living underneath a flat where it's fitted throughout.There are also threats from delivery companies (including some supermarkets) to boycott certain developments as there is nowhere to park and over zealous clampers holding delivery vans to ransome.The problem isn't private v council tenants, it's about a lack of respect for your surroundings combined with a lack of forethought / couldn't care about amenities attitude from the developer. I wouldn't dream of coming in at 4 in the morning and putting my stereo on fiull blast, but clearly others think nothing of it.To my mind there may be lots of empty flats, but while the asking price for a 1 bed apartment on the fringes of the city centre is still £500-£700 a month, things can't be too bad, can they?

simong · Post by **simong** » Fri 27 Mar, 2009 10:43 pm

The build quality of a lot of the flats is appalling. I rented a studio flat in Salford while I was working there last year and for a brand new building they were badly built, with badly laid floors, electricals installed incorrectly and leaks in bad weather (this being quite common in Greater Manchester of course). I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same in some if not all developments in Leeds.

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 27 Mar, 2009 10:56 pm

raveydavey wrote: Catweazle wrote: I don't quite understand how people equate the "city living" flats with the slums of the future (a la the highrises of the 60s).And surely all it says it that the naysayers haven't really thougt it through.There's one 'slight' difference between then and now ie the 60s highrise slums were council housing and always a disaster waiting to happen.City living is 100% private and unless the council want to negotaite their way through an exceedingly intricate and inhospitable legal jungle (not that the council could ever afford to buy them anyway) will remain that way ...so how and when exactly will they become slums? There are already documented problems at several developments in the city centre with noise nuisance, which is largely blamed on students* being out all night and arriving back in the early hours and having parties, etc that go on until dawn. Apparently in one development these are becoming the only tenants speculative buyers can get, which is upsetting those who live there and have to go to work for a living due to the constant disturbance.Then there is the now infamous issue of laminate flooring - yes it looks good in the publicity shots but try living underneath a flat where it's fitted throughout.There are also threats from delivery companies (including some supermarkets) to boycott certain developments as there is nowhere to park and over zealous clampers holding delivery vans to ransome.The problem isn't private v council tenants, it's about a lack of respect for your surroundings combined with a lack of forethought / couldn't care about amenities attitude from the developer. I wouldn't dream of coming in at 4 in the morning and putting my stereo on fiull blast, but clearly others think nothing of it.To my mind there may be lots of empty flats, but while the asking price for a 1 bed apartment on the fringes of the city centre is still £500-£700 a month, things can't be too bad, can they? Quite so - and slum is not exclusively synonymous with Council housing - many parts of the slumclearance past and present is in private hands, more related to quality and deteriation.