Family History in Leeds

Briggy · Post by **Briggy** » Thu 03 Jul, 2008 3:20 pm

Thanks again - this information is fantastic! You've given me a whole new generation of family I knew nothing about. I didn't realise how weird and emotional it would feel to see their names in print. Thanks so much.

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 03 Jul, 2008 3:38 pm

Briggy wrote: Could I ask for some advice please? I've very little idea about family history, but having found our family bible which contains some interesting info have decided to try and pursue it. Problem is I'm confused! The bible says Job Sowden married Hadassah Kitson, both from Hunslet They are both listed as being born in 1847, she in April, he in September. Many years ago I saw their marriage entry in Dewsbury Parish Church, August 1871. He was recorded as being 21 and she 26 (giving him a birth year of 1850 and her 1845). On Genes Reunited I found a match and as other information tallies it must be the same pair, but he is listed as being born 1853 and she in 1855! I have contacted the owner of the tree to ask where this information came from and am awaiting a reply. I can't seem to find them on any census, but as I said, I'm not very sure that I'm looking in the right place. Could anyone give me a clue as to how find out which info is accurate please? Hello BriggyMarriage for Job and Hardassah Kitson registered at Dewsbury Jul -sep 1871 Kitson ,GRO ref 9b 867.You can order the certificate on line by clicking here,registering and then using the above detailshttps://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.aspFound them in the 1881 census RG11; Piece: 4532; Folio: 27in Leeds West,St Simon at what looks like 32 Jermynn Street,hard to tell:-Job SNOWDEN, head ,31, dyer unemployed born PudseyHadasah ,wife ,33, born HunsletBelfield W ,son , 7, Scholar born Dewsbury CarrClement ,son, 3, born Batley CarrAmy G ,dtr, , 1, born Batley Carr -Birth reg Belfield Wonderful Sowden, Dewsbury Jul-sep 1873 GRO ref 9b 679-Birth reg Clement Sowden, Dewsbury jul-sep 1877 GRO ref 9b 653-Birth reg Amy Gertrude Sowden,Dewsbury jul-sep 1879 GRO ref 9b 625(note there is another birth registered at Dewsbury in 1872 for an Amy Gertrude Sowden,and a death in the same year,so this could be another child for Job and Hadassah) -Death Reg Belfield Wonderfull Sowden ,aged 7,Leeds jul-sep 1881 GRO ref 9b 267In the 1891 census RG12; Piece: 3735; Folio 10 in Dewsbury living at 14 Victoria Road :-Job Sowden,head,41, Dyer born PudseyHadassah ,wife, 43, born HunsletClement ,son, 13, born BatleyAmy G ,dtr, 11, born BatleyWilfred ,son, 9, born BatleyRachel L H ,dtr, 5 born BatleyAlban ,son,1 born Batley-Birth reg for Alban Sowden,Dewsbury apr-jun 1889 GRO ref 9b 694 -Death registered for Hadassah Sowden Leeds jan -mar 1898 GRO ref 9b 311 aged 50Cant find them in 1901 censusHeres a few possible options to follow up.The marriages below MAY be searchable at the Leeds Local studies/Family history room on the Headrow,if not then it will be a matter of getting the certificates. -Alban would appear to have been married in 1914 at Methodist Chapel, Skilbeck Street, New Wortley to a Jessie Garrick Registered jul-sep 1914 Bramley 9b 665 There are two marriages at Methodist Mission, Ventnor Street, Kirkstall Road,-Rachel L Sowden to a Harry Thornton in 1910 and-Wilfed Sowden in 1911 to a Jane Gilligan.-There is a marriage for a Amy G Sowden and George A Clough registered at Bradford jul -sep 1913 ,GRO ref 9b 600 -Possible Death for Job Sowden aged 58 registered Leeds Apr-jun 1910 GRO ref9b 252-Possible death for Clement Sowden,aged 29,registered Wakefield apr-jun 1908, GRO ref 9c 21Chris

Briggy · Post by **Briggy** » Thu 03 Jul, 2008 4:20 pm

Chris and MichaelCan't thank you both enough for all this information. I've been faffing about for what seems like an era and hadn't even scratched the surface. Thanks also for the tips on how to take it further. I feel really enthused and excited about doing this now, whereas before it all seemed such a mystery. I owe you both skiploads of booze or whatever your favourite indulgence is.

uncle michael · Post by **uncle michael** » Thu 03 Jul, 2008 5:33 pm

Briggy wrote: Could I ask for some advice please? I've very little idea about family history, but having found our family bible which contains some interesting info have decided to try and pursue it. Problem is I'm confused! The bible says Job Sowden married Hadassah Kitson, both from Hunslet They are both listed as being born in 1847, she in April, he in September. Many years ago I saw their marriage entry in Dewsbury Parish Church, August 1871. He was recorded as being 21 and she 26 (giving him a birth year of 1850 and her 1845). On Genes Reunited I found a match and as other information tallies it must be the same pair, but he is listed as being born 1853 and she in 1855! I have contacted the owner of the tree to ask where this information came from and am awaiting a reply. I can't seem to find them on any census, but as I said, I'm not very sure that I'm looking in the right place. Could anyone give me a clue as to how find out which info is accurate please? Briggy Job sowden birth 1848. Oct-Dec.Bradford.Vol23.Page213. Adassah Kitson birth 1847.apr-jun.Hunslet.Vol23.Page287.n.b. There was no H in front of her name in the registar Michael

carith · Post by **carith** » Thu 03 Jul, 2008 8:03 pm

There is a wealth of information held on microfiche at the Balne Lane library at Wakefield which covers the yorkshire area. This is available free of charge and adds to the fun of family research. you just need to pay for printing out copies

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 03 Jul, 2008 10:51 pm

Hello BriggyQuote unclemichael:- "1861 cencus Ruben sowden aged 21 head Emma Sowden aged 21 wife Hannah Sowden aged16 sister Christina Sowden aged 14 sister Job Sowden aged 12 brother George Sowden aged 1 son Living at 212a Peel Street,Dewsbury Could be a coincedence but living next door or another part of the house at 212 Christopher Sowden aged 22 head Jane Sowden aged 21 wife"Christopher is the brother of Ruben,Hannah,Christiana and Job.I had found the above census that michael had found,along with the family in 1851 and 1841 census but didnt have time to put it on earlier,so here goes with the 1841 census for Farsley.Farsley,1298/2/61 (all shown as born Yorkshire,all surnames Sowden)William Sowden age 30Sarah age 30Esther age 9Mary Ann age 7Eliza age 6Chris. age 4Ruben age 2 Wm. age 1 mth1851 census Pudsey HO107 2313/205, Low TownWilliam , Head ,43,Woolen Cloth Weaver,b Pudsey.Sarah ,wife, 42 b PudseyEsther ,dtr, 19 b BramleyMary Ann ,dtr, 17 b BramleyChristopher ,son, 15 b BramleyRueben ,son, 13 b FarsleyHannah ,dtr, 6 b FarsleyChristiana ,dtr, 4 b FarsleyJoseph* ,son, 1 b Pudsey*This is probably an enumerators error,has mistook Job for JosThere is a marriage that looks likely for a William Sowden and Sarah Sugden at Leeds Parish Church 02 AUG 1829 .Naturally it will be best to check the PR for full details,but what makes this look a likelihood is that there is a baptism at Pudsey Wesleyan Methodist for a Sarah sugden born 06 MAR 1808 and baptised 04 APR 1808.This fits well with Sarah Sowdens age and place of birth in the 1851 census.Further to this the parents at the baptism of sarh Sugden are shown as Joshua and Esther.Esther being the first name of William and Sarah Sowdens eldest daughter in the 1841 and 1851 census.Incidentally Esther Sowden would appear to have been baptised at Bramley Wesleyan ,born 23 OCT 1831,baptised 31 OCT 1831.Though it would appear that William and Sarah were non conformist there is a possibilty that their son Christopher was baptised Anglican at Leeds Parish Church 22 OCT 1837.Clearly you would need to check the PR to confirm this,but its not unkown for families to go from one branch of faith to another and back again.As for William Sowden there appears to be no baptism on the IGI for a William Sowden at Pudsey,but there is one baptised in Bradford 17 APR 1808 ,son of a William.Interestingly there is also REUBEN SOWDEN 02 JUN 1805 Bradford,father William as well .Once again the PR would need to be checked.dont want to dig any more here because half the fun is finding out yourself.Ill post some bits on Hadassah next.

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 03 Jul, 2008 11:00 pm

Hello BriggyHeres some bits for Hadassah1851 census HO107/2323/373 ,Heckmondwike,Hill HouseWilliam Kitson,Head,30, Machine ??? born BirstallRachel Kitson,wife, 29, born BirstallHadapah (sic) ,dtr, 3, born Hunslet1861 census RG9 3039/28,Spotland,Lancashire, Quarry Hill,William Kitson,Head,40,Woollen Machine Maker, born BATLEY*Rachal Ann ,wife, 40 ,born BirstallHadassah ,dtr, 13, Cotton Piecer, ,born HunsletBrook ,son, 9, Cotton Duffer ,born HeckmondwikeMiriam ,dtr, 2, ,born Batley 1871 census RG10 4603/16,DewsburyHadassah is staying as a lodger with Robert and Elizabeth Butterworth on Halliday Street,She is described as occupationWoollen Cloth Weaver.As for Hadassahs parents then it would appear that they were married in 1845,the marriage registered at Dewsbury Jan -mar 1845 GRO ref 22/1.Williams wife was a Rachel Ann Brooke (see name of son Brook in 1861 census)As for william there is a possible baptism for him at Batley 01 OCT 1820 parents John and Sarah.This can be confirmed by ordering the above marriage certificate which will have the name of his father.As for Rachel then there is a baptism at Birstall of a Rachel Ann Brook 09 SEP 1821 ,parents John and Hannah.There is a baptism in the same year at Birstall of a Rachel Brook daughter of William and Sarah,so to confirm which is the correct one then i would definitely order this marriage certificate for 1845 to find out the brides fathers name.Anyway i hope thats enough for you to go on,happy hunting and come back to us if you get stuck.Chris

Hats Off · Post by **Hats Off** » Fri 04 Jul, 2008 12:57 am

Si wrote: Hello again, Hats Off.Here are the results of the 1901 Census:James is still at 7 Hound Court, but now a widower, I'm afraid. His age is given as 70, and he is now working as a corporation labourer (road) - at 70!!! Living with him are James Hart, son, single, aged 49, a cloth finisher, and Mary Ruddy, his niece, aged 23, single, and working as their housekeeper. She was also born in Ireland.The placing of Hound Court is correct, because (for some reason) it says at the top of the Census page "96 & 98 Charles Street same as at High Street." Charles Street was at the other end of Hound Street, so it's the same area. Incidentally, my great great great uncle ran the Pine Apple pub on High Street at this time. There's a picture of him outside his pub on page 26 of the Leeds Lost Pubs thread. Drapesy posted it from Leodis.Cheers, Si. Thanks again Si, much appreciated.

uncle michael · Post by **uncle michael** » Fri 04 Jul, 2008 2:02 am

Chris and Briggy. Enjoyed joing at helping "Briggy" but like I said before my typing is not very good. If I can help anyone I will do my best Michael

Briggy · Post by **Briggy** » Fri 04 Jul, 2008 10:53 am

Chris and Michael Many, many thanks for the time you've taken to find out all this information. I'd never have got this far in a million years. Thanks equally for the help you've given in showing how to proceed with even more research, it's much clearer now. You are very generous and it's much appreciated.CarithThanks for the info re Wakefield. That looks well worth a trip to see what else can be found out.