The Inns and Pubs of Kirkgate

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Sun 18 May, 2008 9:32 pm

The start of many updates as I start to trawl through various directories of Leeds - an ongoing job so watch this space. - several pubs/beerhouses I knew nothing about .In referring to directories rather than give the full titles I will just put the publishers name (Pigot, White, Kelly etc) and year of publication.

uncle michael · Post by **uncle michael** » Mon 19 May, 2008 4:24 pm

Beerhouses started in 1830,with the 1830 Beerhouse act. They were only allowed to sell beer and opened between 4am till 10pm. Public houses opened between 6am till 9pm. The beer tax was also abolished.I think this was to try to keep the masses off the gin. Sorry I can,t give you any links (not that gifted).I got my info by "Googling" Beerhouse act 1830. Michael

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 19 May, 2008 11:48 pm

drapesy wrote: The start of many updates as I start to trawl through various directories of Leeds - an ongoing job so watch this space. - several pubs/beerhouses I knew nothing about .In referring to directories rather than give the full titles I will just put the publishers name (Pigot, White, Kelly etc) and year of publication. Steve,be careful with those directories.Just like the Yellow pages the patrons paid to have their establishment appear in the publication,so it will not necessarliy be a complete list (especially the early ones)Try the burgess/voters rolls on the bookcase on the other side of the directories case.Look for the Kirkgate ward and then work your way through that.The voters are listed alphabetically by name and so you would need to go through the whole ward.I would imagine that this would be a more complete picture of wht there was.Also the various census are worth a try,though i wouldnt bother with the 1841.The library have street indexes for the various census,giving the reference numbers for each street.If you need a hand let me know.

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 20 May, 2008 1:22 am

thanks for that info Cnosni- I'll certainly check the voter rolls. I'm hoping that by consulting all the directories I can I'll build up a reasonably accurate picture over time,

Post by **cnosni** » Tue 20 May, 2008 8:46 pm

drapesy wrote: thanks fot that info Cnosni- I'll certainly check the voter rolls. I'm hoping that by consulting all the directories I can I'll build up a reasonably accurate picture over time, Dont forget that there are the 1886 insurance maps at the library that Lee (LS1)came across.These are very detailed and show the pubs and their exact location.Not sure how deep you intend to go but how about using the various census anyway to give an idea of who the successive tenanats ( their background,families etc)were in these pubs over 50 years,this would put a bit of personal history into the whole thing.If i can be of help then let me know,and i would imagine Judge Jones will be itching as well

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Tue 20 May, 2008 10:44 pm

Leeds Library have some of the early poll books showing who people voted for in elections. Not particularly useful unless you want to know which party they supported but it does give addresses!They were published commercially as it was legal to do at the time. I seem to recall they were around the 1830's. I will glance through tomorrow morning when I am in there just to see how they are laid out properly.

Si · Post by Si » Wed 21 May, 2008 10:15 am

drapesy wrote: As has been mentioned before Kirkgate has a peculiar numbering system - starting at the North Side of the Junction with Briggate running east, crossing over at the parish church/Palace pub than running back west to Briggate - so I will look at the pubs in that order.Here is my preliminary list of pubs that are or have fronted onto or had an alley that led onto Kirkgate - and I will then go through them in order;Buck TavernGolden Cock/PrecinctBerwer's ArmsBoot and ShoeOld Royal OakBlack BearGrapesHarper ArmsBrougham's Arms/Duck and DrakeLion and Lamb/PhoenixOld Nag's HeadCherry TreePalaceRoyal OakOld CrownShears TavernGreen ParrotFox and GrapesCrown/Crown and FleeceScotsmanOld Buck Inn/Royal StandardMason's ArmsRegentHarpRed LionKing's Head/Black BoyAs yet unplaced - Grove Tavern Drapesy, The Grove Tavern is on Godfrey's 1847 OS map. It's opposite the Phoenix, so I am assuming it was the original name of the Green Parrot? The Brougham's Arms (Duck and Drake,) also opposite, is a totally different shape to how it looks today. The entrance corner is square, not curved. Are you aware of a rebuild at some time?

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Wed 21 May, 2008 10:18 am

Thanks for that. I would not be surprised if the Duck and Drake is a rebuild - the pub dates back to at least 1826 but the present building doesn't look that old.

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Wed 21 May, 2008 6:11 pm

Oops - now I look at the map again , Si, I realise I have made an error - I misread "the Grove Tavern" as "the Green Parrot".D'oh!!!oh well, no-one's prefect.Looking up the references to the Green Parrot in Steven Burt's piece about the riots of 1844 is see that it was nearby, but not on, Kirkgate - it was on Harper Street.I will amend the thread.

Si · Post by Si » Thu 22 May, 2008 9:16 am

I found an Old Green Parrot at 19 Mill Hill, Drapesy.