Dialect/slang

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:15 pm

Bramley4woods wrote: Bramley4woods wrote: It was of course originally made by Hammonds pickle works on Sovereign Street, Leeds before the area got yuppyfied, (Just this week it's gotten wateryfied) !Presumably Chivers Ireland obtained the licence to make and sell it in the Republic of Ireland under the YR brand in the dim and distant past before the EU and still have it. Sorry to follow up to own post. Minor correction.The pickle works on Sovereign Street was of course originally "Goodall & Backhouse" subsequently bought by Hammonds of "Chop Sauce" fame, who discontinued production soon after. Goodall and Backhouse. You used to get thick relish and thin relish, there was like a three pack, I'm b*ggered if I can remember what the third bottle was!There's a line in "My girl's a Yorkshire girl" - "I've got a bit of a Yorkshire relish for my little Yorkshire rose"

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:18 pm

Steve Jones wrote: I am not quite sure whether this is dialect or not.Being a Lancastrain I miss being able to get Steak pudding or Steak and Kidney pudding and chips from a chippy.For reasons presumably to do with preferences most of Yorkshire seems to be a desert for finding chippies selling them apart from places abutting Lancashire such as Holmfirth or Todmorden (the latter of which of course used to belong there) or Derbyshire.I have never found anywhere locally in Leeds with them .Now, one chippy here in Wakefield started selling Steak Puddings very briefly undr the headine "Lancashire Rag Puddings". I had never heard them called Rag Puddings anywhere and wonder if it is a local West Yorkshire term?and if anyone knows somewhere local with them I would be interested to know<G>, though I can get Hollands (the best IMHO) frozen from Morrisons.Just to prove I do like Yorkshire stuff as well <G>, I used to love Hammonds "Yorkshire Relish" sauce , alas now no longer being made! There are chippies in Yorkshire that sell Hollands Pies and Puddings, there's one in Huddersfield - I could take you there, but don't know it's address.There used to be a pea and pie shop in Batley that sold Hollands stuff - but it's long gone. That's something I haven't seen for ages - a dedicated "pea and pie 'oil"

Bramley4woods · Post by **Bramley4woods** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:48 pm

Trojan wrote: Bramley4woods wrote: Bramley4woods wrote: It was of course originally made by Hammonds pickle works on Sovereign Street, Leeds before the area got yuppyfied, (Just this week it's gotten wateryfied) !Presumably Chivers Ireland obtained the licence to make and sell it in the Republic of Ireland under the YR brand in the dim and distant past before the EU and still have it. Sorry to follow up to own post. Minor correction.The pickle works on Sovereign Street was of course originally "Goodall & Backhouse" subsequently bought by Hammonds of "Chop Sauce" fame, who discontinued production soon after. Goodall and Backhouse. You used to get thick relish and thin relish, there was like a three pack, I'm b*ggered if I can remember what the third bottle was!There's a line in "My girl's a Yorkshire girl" - "I've got a bit of a Yorkshire relish for my little Yorkshire rose" Yes, I once got one of those 3 packs myself (tiny bottles in my case) . Presumably they were reps samples but somehow I seem to recall getting one as a Christmas present !It's possible somebody thought the dinky little bottles would entertain us kids.YR thin is also still made by Chivers in the Irish Republic, it's actually a very good Worcester Sauce type product.I can't remember what the third bottle was either. It could have been tomato sauce. Can't have been anything more memorable.We didn't *really* know what you did with the Y.R. thin..

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 11:22 pm

Used to love Yorkshire Relish, bith thick and thin. Such as shame they no longer make it.

chomic · Post by **chomic** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 11:59 pm

arry awk wrote: Yes It's the general term for a raised roadaccording to my ancient Collins! Altho' if youthink about it the kerb was the raised part of the pavement adjacent to the causeway so it WASthe 'causer edge' which ever way you view it!Clear? Thought not! me neither!EEEEH, it wo'fun ,even if we didget us 'trowsisarses' black as t'fireback!Shutting down dow. More tomorrow with luck!Arry In the Chambers 2003 'causey' is a paved road or street, formerly of cobblestones, tho' the etymology is scots.

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:19 am

chomic wrote: arry awk wrote: Yes It's the general In the Chambers 2003 'causey' is a paved road or street, formerly of cobblestones, tho' the etymology is scots. Like a lot of Yorkshire (northern) words - they have equivalents in Lowland Scots. The word "thoil" as in I can't thoil t'brass" - I don't think it's worth it - has an equivalent in the Scots word "thole" The English would say that Lowland Scots (lalands) is just another form of English - those that speak it claim that although like English it's based on Anglo Saxon/Norse it is in fact a similar language that grew separately. The Ulster Scots also speak a form of lalands called ullans.

Post by **cnosni** » Fri 25 Jan, 2008 1:09 am

Not sure if this has been mentioned before,but the term "while" being used instead of 'til/until is a Leeds peculiarity.eg a shops opening hours 9 while 5.30.I only came across this as being peculiar to Leeds when i read a weekly column by Rod McPhee in the YEP,so i asked our lass who is a scouser,and despite the fact that she has never mentioned it before she told me that it "dus er ed in" (Shes now fully Leeds in her dialect ,NO scouse at all!!) When she came to Leeds in 87 she did not know what the chuff anyone was on about,oh yeah dont worry its open while late!!Ive never thought of it before but replacing while instead of until makes no sense at all.Loiners Loiner Loiners Loiners Loiners!!!!

Bramley4woods · Post by **Bramley4woods** » Fri 25 Jan, 2008 1:33 am

Trojan wrote: Steve Jones wrote: I am not quite sure whether this is dialect or not.Being a Lancastrain I miss being able to get Steak pudding or Steak and Kidney pudding and chips from a chippy.For reasons presumably to do with preferences most of Yorkshire seems to be a desert for finding chippies selling them apart from places abutting Lancashire such as Holmfirth or Todmorden (the latter of which of course used to belong there) or Derbyshire.I have never found anywhere locally in Leeds with them .Now, one chippy here in Wakefield started selling Steak Puddings very briefly undr the headine "Lancashire Rag Puddings". I had never heard them called Rag Puddings anywhere and wonder if it is a local West Yorkshire term?and if anyone knows somewhere local with them I would be interested to know<G>, though I can get Hollands (the best IMHO) frozen from Morrisons.Just to prove I do like Yorkshire stuff as well <G>, I used to love Hammonds "Yorkshire Relish" sauce , alas now no longer being made! There are chippies in Yorkshire that sell Hollands Pies and Puddings, there's one in Huddersfield - I could take you there, but don't know it's address.There used to be a pea and pie shop in Batley that sold Hollands stuff - but it's long gone. That's something I haven't seen for ages - a dedicated "pea and pie 'oil" My next door neighbour from Thornhill (Dewsbury) speaks longingly of pie shops where you used to get your hot pies "Pea Wet". IE. a hot pie dribbled with the liquor from mushy peas.Sooner him than me. One of Peter Kay's stock in laughs was "Pea Wet" ..."half-chip, half gravy, pea-wet, top, bottom smak."Half a tray of chips, gravy and mushy-pea juice squeezed between two spam fritters.Blindin'*********************Quelle Finesse.

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Fri 25 Jan, 2008 8:37 am

Thanks for the information on 2Yorkshire Relish". I didn't know about Chivers version.it was the thick stuff I loved though. I originally came across the Goodall & Backhouse version when living in Blackpool in the 1970's. I followed the move to Hammonds.In fact I wrote to them after they stopped doing it and received a reply that they were concentrating on Chop sauce but would re-introduce YR. They never did of course.If I ever see the thin version I might get it, but I prefer thicker stuff.i ualso use a lot of 2Mushroom ketchup" in stews etc that I currently get from a shop in Hebden Bridge when visiting there.

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Fri 25 Jan, 2008 3:25 pm

Wakefield family history society have a good section on dialect,slang and sayings here:http://www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/Local%20Slang.htm