Any news on when the new Secret Leeds website is to come active.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Sun 15 Jun, 2014 11:05 pm

cnosni wrote: But if it is some precieved hostility that is created by the regular contributors then no amount of updates to the site are going to negate that hostility. Is this the same kind of hostility like you mention on the facebook group post of yours, or merely people having different opinions? There is a difference Chris. All I've pointed out on this thread is there seems quite a bit of unwarranted, and unjust criticism of a good amount of forum members when it was never even a question. I do feel people were being painted in a very negative way and pointed this out. These same people are members and use this forum too. All they ever did was help get this forum working again, and promote this forum to this day. Lets just be fair about things and play cricket please.

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Sun 15 Jun, 2014 11:15 pm

Quote: I personally think that there are 3 types of people, those who are SL only, FB SL2 only and those who do both, its the ratio of these 3 types that may eventually determine what happens with SL. That reminded me of the saying "There are only 3 types of people in the world: Yorkshire people; those who wish to be Yorkshire people; and those with no ambition at all".

Post by **cnosni** » Sun 15 Jun, 2014 11:27 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: cnosni wrote: But if it is some precieved hostility that is created by the regular contributors then no amount of updates to the site are going to negate that hostility. Is this the same kind of hostility like you mention on the facebook group post of yours, or merely people having different opinions? There is a difference Chris. All I've pointed out on this thread is there seems quite a bit of unwarranted, and unjust criticism of a good amount of forum members when it was never even a question. I do feel people were being painted in a very negative way and pointed this out. These same people are members and use this forum too. All they ever did was help get this forum working again, and promote this forum to this day. Lets just be fair about things and play cricket please. I think you are taking this the wrong way Phil, big style and perhaps if you are going to qoute a message then it would be better to quote the whole message so that anyone can see that the full context.I am trying to say that IF there are people that will only lurk (which you have stated there are)and not do contribute to SL because they feel/percieve that they will be picked on or looked down on as being "ameteur" then this needs to be looked at and addressed by those regular contributors who may be unkowingly be putting peopel off, and i include myself in that.I am trying to get those people who are "Lurkers" and may be feeling this way to come forward and enable the regular contributors to the site to perhaps look at what they may be doing to put the lurkers off. If we cant address this possible basic issue then adding new and welcome features to SL on its own would not encourage the Lurkers to join in on its own, both of these things need looking at.Thats all i am saying in this instance Phil.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Sun 15 Jun, 2014 11:34 pm

cnosni wrote: Thats all i am saying in this instance Phil. Well I made my initial very valid, and short polite point a long time ago. http://www.secretleeds.com/forum/Messag ... &#106673It seemed to have been dragged over a fair bit since then. I too have said pretty much all there is to say on the matter Chris.*But just to add I've highlighted the exact same sort of negative, critical, and unfriendly kind of atmosphere this forum can generate towards new posters and in so doing put them off posting here.*Fingers crossed there will be a new look Secret Leeds and different format to encourage new users. I'm not over confident this will happen though. It will be a a shame when/if the plug gets pulled on paying for it's upkeep. All that documented history wasted

Post by **cnosni** » Sun 15 Jun, 2014 11:38 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: cnosni wrote: Thats all i am saying in this instance Phil. Well I made my initial very valid, and short polite point a long time ago. It seemed to have been dragged over a fair bit since then. I too have said pretty much all there is to say on the matter.*But just to add I've highlighted the sort of negative, critical, and unfriendly kind of atmosphere this forum can generate towards new posters and in so doing put them off posting here*Fingers crossed there will be a new look Secret Leeds and different format to encourage new users. I'm not over confident this will happen though. It will be a a shame when/if the plug gets pulled on paying for it's upkeep. all that documented history wasted Thats my fear Phil, if new contributors are being put off then it needs to be addressed.But if healthy debate and a different point of view is appropriate on FB SL2 then it should be on here without such debate resulting in calling people derogatory names.Honest debate should not put people off

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Sun 15 Jun, 2014 11:40 pm

This sites ''format'' is just boring Chris. That's the reality of it. Nothing happens here any more. It's dead.

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon 16 Jun, 2014 12:26 am

It seems to me that the two approaches (SL and SL2 on FB) fill complementary roles. What would be the point of making SL the same or similar to SL2? If as predicted SL will die if not changed, why not allow that to happen? Personally I would doubt that, though as others have pointed out the site's own success in tackling subjects will inevitably mean an eventual dimunition in new material.There is no point creating two similar sites. I for one am perfectly happy with Secret Leeds fundamentally remaining the same. Whilst wishing good fortune to the newer site, it does not seem to fill my requirement for a site which can result in deep discussion of interesting topics and ideas and research thereon. Pictures can be helpful in demonstrating points, but for me discussion is the prime object of advancement of knowledge. I will keep on looking at these pages on a daily basis for as long as they are available, and will post if I have anything to say, and if not I will simply enjoy what is posted by others, even if the future brings less material than I have been accustomed to.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 16 Jun, 2014 12:31 am

Jim you miss the point how it could work. The main threads will stay exactly like they are, albeit with a new modern makeover.But add an interactive forum page as an extra. You needn't look at it at all. It wouldn't change how threads work at all. It would only add to them and keep them more active. You would be getting the best of both worlds, the lively posting rates of the F.B group, and the detailed documentation of the S.L forum.. Format - WIN!

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon 16 Jun, 2014 12:39 am

If an interactive page as an "extra" without interfering with the current basic format is practicable, I will take your point Phill. As a self confessed computer numpty I was not aware of the possibility.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 16 Jun, 2014 12:47 am

jim wrote: If an interactive page as an "extra" without interfering with the current basic format is practicable, I will take your point Phill. As a self confessed computer numpty I was not aware of the possibility. For example you would still have the page layout like this. But at the top where the links are you would have 'Group active wall' or similar term. It would be up there with the 'active threads' 'my threads' 'profile' etc.If you want to look at it, then click on it. If not, then don't. Nothing of the good old thread format changes.Any good posts on that wall, questions, interesting subjects that generate a lot of interaction can be added to an already existing thread if it's covered. In so doing it resurrects a dead thread. Or it could start a new thread of it's own if it hasn't already been covered. Either way it's kick started a dying forum off. The mods could look out for interesting posts on the group wall and organise things. Forum members could 'recommend this' for inclusion in threads also. There are a few ways to do this. There are so many ways to spark life into this forum, leaving it as it is isn't going to do that any more. We've had many good posts like that on the facebook group. Someone posted a map of some 'Park Butts' near Butts Court. A subject not covered on this forum. Everyone was doing research, posting old photos and maps. Just like what happens here. Only it wasn't happening here and nothing was posted here. Even if threads aren't being added to. At least you have an updated page to look at local and archive photos. Surely that's better than nothing happening at all like it is at present? More pages to view and display - More ad space and revenue for the owner too