Burley Bar Stone - and the rest

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 9:56 pm

mark1978 wrote: Except - in the picture that shows both the C & A and the Leadworks, there's no brickwork to be seen on either of those buildings. They're both rendered. Are you saying the rendering must have been stripped off both buildings at some point between 1906 (Leadworks photo) and the 1930s (brickie photo)?And can anyone else see two downpipes in the brickie photo or am I going mad? Hi Mark.The brickwork was of course hidden behind the render and then cladding. Don't forget that one building was knocked down on the brickie photo. It's impossible to knock one building down without exposing once hidden parts of the other building next to it that is still standing. Which in this case is the old brickwork poking out behind the cladding. The fall pipe is clear to see as well. There is only one fall pipe. It's the black line at the end of the building, it doesn't go all the way to the roof line. If you recall the top brick facade that said 'Crown and Anchor' was demolished. The actual roof line was lower than that, and that's why the gutter pipe 'appears' to start lower down the building, when it actual fact it starts at roof height. It must be a flat roof looking at things.

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 10:26 pm

Here are some pics:First shows the top part of the join between the old bus station (right) and the old Hellenic (left)

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 10:27 pm

Same position just at the bottom, the right hand side brick work is obscured by the wood.

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 10:28 pm

No place in particular. Just an example of the type of brickwork that the bus station is built out of.

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 10:29 pm

And another.

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 10:30 pm

Finally the gap between the two buildings. Clearly there is one and it is not built on to the Hellenic building.

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 10:32 pm

I don't know if this helps, certainly now I am starting to think that is it definitely built in somewhere into the old bus station, but perhaps not the part that is next to the Hellenic! Is it possible that the bus station was built in two phases and this was cemented in, then the building next to it knocked and the rest of the bus station was completed?

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 11:17 pm

I came across the photo Mhoulden has just posted and have been trying to place them in context with today's scenes for comparison. This is the best I can do anyway This undated view shows the workhouse looking up Lady Lane towards St Johns church. Note the largest workhouse building. I've marked the building the best I can with a cross. That same building appears to have survived until 1936 when it was demolished to make way for the bus station.Today's comparison view. Note the large chimney next to the bus station.The main white building that fronts on to Vicar Lane Is the same large building seen on the first artists impression. I've included the maps below. As Mhoulden says note the two passages, or entrance ways either side of the white gable end building. **That white gable workhouse was the Cycle shop building by 1906***Note the tiny slither of white building to the left of the workhouse/Cycle shop. That's very confusing indeed. It is actually the Metal Merchants next door. It was extended and built over the passageway to make the garage door part of the building seen below*The window layout has changed in the cycle shop, but I'm in no doubt it's the same building. What gets confusing is this drawings aren't dated, and also buildings are very often not to scale. I've marked the building as the Crown & Anchor. It has to be remembered that the building on the drawing could have been demolished, It could have been altered, or the drawing is not to scale. The Crown & Anchor did have it's roof line altered on the photos we have. It is unusual to see a flat roofed building in 1906. So just because a building is on the drawing with a pitched roof, It doesn't mean it can't be the later day Crown & Anchor. Note the two passages either side of the Chantry Chapel, which is the location of the main white gable end building (Cycle shop) You can just make the passages out on the maps we have.The white gable end building is marked as a Lead Foundry on the 1933 map before the bus station was built. The old workhouse building stands derelict in 1936 just before demolition. This is the corner of Vicar Lane and Lady Lane. The front of that old workhouse was the cycle shop in 1906. It has to be remembered that the building photographed looks at first glance taller than the cycle shop. But in actual fact Lady Lane runs down a pretty steep hill. As we know stairs were needed in the bus station entrance. So that accounts why the cellar floors appear to make this building look taller than the cycle shop frontage on Vicar Lane. The 'Everything must go' shop would pretty much be our boarded up and derelict little kiosk shop in the bus station. That's kind of ironic really. You can see that little corner shop marked on the 1933 map above.Give or take a few yards and that's pretty much the same location today.Another 1936 view of the derelict workhouse. An old building fronting on to Lady Lane has already been demolished. That too can be seen on the 1933 map. The tall chimney can be seen as mentioned on the 1951 aerial photo above.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 11:38 pm

Thanks for taking the time to take those Photos LS1 Lee.They are great and much better than street view. They do help.They are exactly the same kind of bricks as the brickie photo. I've never had any doubt the stone was relaid into the bus station. It just doesn't look like that today, and it's highly unlikely it's on the end pillar with the same amount of bricks visible as on the brickie photo. Those half bricks (headers) have had to be removed since. There can't be that untidy half brick on the end like we see on that old photo. It just can't physically fit in like that. Cheers

mark1978 · Post by **mark1978** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 11:49 pm

Thanks LS1 for the photos of the current brickwork. The pattern of the brickwork and the style of the bricks themselves definitely seems to be a match for the brickie photo - more so than the old boundary wall on North Court which Phil posted on page 5. For me, that's confirmation that the brickie photo definitely shows the bar stone being built into the new bus station as originally thought (until someone else posts something tomorrow and I change my mind again!).What's missing though is the odd vertical column of half (or sideways-on?) bricks in the brickie photo. Possibilities:(1) Maybe there was a half-brick wide gap between the bus station and the Crown & Anchor, and they just plugged the gap with sideways-on bricks so that the frontage was flush. Then when the Crown & Anchor went (in the '60s do we think?) that column obviously went too.(2) This is a picture of a different bit of the building (where?) or a different building altogether!