Tour de France Leeds

MWD · Post by **MWD** » Fri 18 Jan, 2013 6:33 pm

An interesting pair of routes, and not an inch cycled on public footpaths............

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Fri 18 Jan, 2013 6:40 pm

MWD wrote: An interesting pair of routes, and not an inch cycled on public footpaths............ ...I bet they won't be stopping at traffic lights though...

MWD · Post by **MWD** » Fri 18 Jan, 2013 6:53 pm

raveydavey wrote: MWD wrote: An interesting pair of routes, and not an inch cycled on public footpaths............ ...I bet they won't be stopping at traffic lights though... .......and not a single one of them will have a bell or reflector on their bike

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Sat 19 Jan, 2013 11:27 am

uncle mick wrote: book wrote: Can anyone tell me what distance each stage is? ..................Stage 1: 128 miles. Stage 2: 103 miles.Take your pick Edit: Perhaps our cycling correspondent Jogon would like to cycle the routes & confirm which is correct Uncle M - It is good news for the regionBut 100+ miles...that's far too far! I get tired Leeds>Lawnswood.Suggest, say, two weeks with a day on/day off in between.-----------ps - this is of course a road race but to clarify"Footway" = pavement at the road side = don't cycle."Public Footpath" = located away from carriageway = ok to cycle.Footpaths’ are not the same as ‘footways’ (pavements) their legal status differs too:1. A FOOTPATH is located AWAY from the carriageway, whereas a FOOTWAY runs alongside(path at side of road- eg Headingley).2. Cycling on a FOOTWAY(path at side of road) is a criminal offence (but Dept for Transport view is that Police discretion should be shown to minors and in circumstances for those whom cycling on the road would not be a safe option).3. By contrast, cycling on a FOOTPATH normally constitutes only a trespass against the landowner. If they prove they ARE the owner and ask you to leave, leave. It's a civil and NOT a criminal matter, i.e. neither the police nor a PCSO can take ANY enforcement action.If someone suggested you were "breaking the law", or intended to do so, they are wrong & it's defamatory.Instead, an aggrieved landowner can either ask a cyclist who isriding on a footpath over their land to leave, or they can go to court to seek an injunction and/or damages - (cost guess-timate £8,000) - this just doesn't happen.4. A bye-law 'could' make it illegal to cycle on a footpath5. DfT confirm “...that a cyclist pushing a bicycle on a pedestrian facility is regarded as a pedestrian.."

MWD · Post by **MWD** » Sat 19 Jan, 2013 8:51 pm

Jogon wrote: uncle mick wrote: book wrote: Can anyone tell me what distance each stage is? ..................Stage 1: 128 miles. Stage 2: 103 miles.Take your pick Edit: Perhaps our cycling correspondent Jogon would like to cycle the routes & confirm which is correct Uncle M - It is good news for the regionBut 100+ miles...that's far too far! I get tired Leeds>Lawnswood.Suggest, say, two weeks with a day on/day off in between.-----------ps - this is of course a road race but to clarify"Footway" = pavement at the road side = don't cycle."Public Footpath" = located away from carriageway = ok to cycle.Footpaths’ are not the same as ‘footways’ (pavements) their legal status differs too:1. A FOOTPATH is located AWAY from the carriageway, whereas a FOOTWAY runs alongside(path at side of road- eg Headingley).2. Cycling on a FOOTWAY(path at side of road) is a criminal offence (but Dept for Transport view is that Police discretion should be shown to minors and in circumstances for those whom cycling on the road would not be a safe option).3. By contrast, cycling on a FOOTPATH normally constitutes only a trespass against the landowner. If they prove they ARE the owner and ask you to leave, leave. It's a civil and NOT a criminal matter, i.e. neither the police nor a PCSO can take ANY enforcement action.If someone suggested you were "breaking the law", or intended to do so, they are wrong & it's defamatory.Instead, an aggrieved landowner can either ask a cyclist who isriding on a footpath over their land to leave, or they can go to court to seek an injunction and/or damages - (cost guess-timate £8,000) - this just doesn't happen.4. A bye-law 'could' make it illegal to cycle on a footpath5. DfT confirm “...that a cyclist pushing a bicycle on a pedestrian facility is regarded as a pedestrian.." The unedited document can be read here.....http://www.ctc.org.uk/file/public/publi ... pdfCutting and pasting is a useful, and misleading tool.I would suggest leaving out sections that do not suit your agenda is pretty bad practice.

Post by **chameleon** » Sat 19 Jan, 2013 9:10 pm

This thread is about the Tour coming to Leeds. Please do not let it become a discussion on unrelated matters - we do not want to create scope for a repeat of recenet events.We'll take it the posts above have been made by way of information for some reason, please let's leave it there.

anthonydna · Post by **anthonydna** » Sat 19 Jan, 2013 9:19 pm

This is genuine good news for Leeds. Cant wait.

book · Post by **book** » Sat 19 Jan, 2013 9:23 pm

It's probably worth planning viewing points early because parking will be at a premium and some of the places on the route will not be served very well by public transport

Post by **chameleon** » Sat 19 Jan, 2013 9:32 pm

anthonydna wrote: This is genuine good news for Leeds. Cant wait. As a former avid racing and pleasure cyclist, this will be a treat to see, just having problem reconciling Tour de France being in Leeds.'Spose there'll be an EU directive for it somewhere

book · Post by **book** » Sat 19 Jan, 2013 9:52 pm

I'll keep my eye out for you at the tail end chameleon, will you have the Secret Leeds jersey on?