Jimmy Savile

anthonydna · Post by **anthonydna** » Sun 13 Jan, 2013 11:57 pm

The whole thread would make a great short story. It's got it all, all humanity encapsulated as the story emerges.

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 14 Jan, 2013 1:26 am

Spackler wrote: Jogon wrote: Yewtree hasn't done Savile's victims any favours at all. It is a really badly missed opportunity.What could and ought to have been a proper (belated) thorough investigation has ended as a poor hybrid co-production with NSPCC+ police.It has a look of "balance of probability" pr job (victims have been listened to)rather than normal UK Criminal test :- "beyond reasonable doubt".And now sadly anyone who points out it's obvious weakness is viewed as 'defending Savile' / 'not being on the right side' / 'proving that the victims didn't come forward at the time because folks (like you - challenger of yewtree) would've doubted them'. Quite the contrary. I havent accused you of anything Jogon, if you are indeed replying to my post. However I would suggest that maybe its up to the victims to speak as to whether its done any favours to them at all, particularly the ones who have had to live with their alleged assaults all their life and who have only recently found the courage thanks to the publicity to come forward.I wont be replying again on this subject or this forum as Im disappointed the way this site has headed. I dont think its right while the criminal investigation is ongoing to be commenting in detail on this subject. But I will say I dont think this thread paints this site or our city in the best light. There again I've never been part of the clique on here so I doubt anyone cares my opinion or the fact that I wont be posting on here anymore. Well for one i would find it a shame that you were not going to continue posting on here,but i think that if you had considered JOGON's message it was more of a reply to my point than anything else.There is indeed a criminal investigation going on,however it is not about Jimmy Savile and discussing the circumstances withe regards to this individual i would have thoust is not sub judice.As for a Clique,well thats your opinion.Online relationships are formed through exchanges of messages on particular subjects and interests,many of which i am not interested in.So those sublects will have their own regular contributors who will naturally have a degree of rapport,which i suppose could be viewed as being a bit of a clique,but i dont think there is any evidence that anyone is somehow shunned or marginalised,i ceratinly do not feel left out because im not into trams or buses fro example.Everyone is welcome to contribute,but have the choice also not to,and if anyone wishes to feel more involved then one can do so by passing comments on subjects..There are currently 8835 users registered for SL,and i suspect there are many many more who just pop on to have a look every now and again,and when this site came back up online i posted a thread trying to get people to contribute to the site.If indeed there was a clique then the last thing that such a clique would be doing is to attract new people.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 14 Jan, 2013 1:30 am

I find this talk of a clique totally bemusing. I'd like to know how you go about joining it, and who do you need to contact to get in? And how do we know who is in it, and not in it?

Caron · Post by **Caron** » Mon 14 Jan, 2013 1:54 am

Phill_dvsn wrote: I find this talk of a clique totally bemusing. I'd like to know how you go about joining it, and who do you need to contact to get in? And how do we know who is in it, and not in it? Phill, remember you're a megalomaniac.....and as this is the JS thread I shall just say, Clunk Clique every trip!

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 14 Jan, 2013 1:55 am

Caron wrote: Phill_dvsn wrote: I find this talk of a clique totally bemusing. I'd like to know how you go about joining it, and who do you need to contact to get in? And how do we know who is in it, and not in it? Phill, remember you're a megalomaniac.....and as this is the JS thread I shall just say, Clunk Clique every trip! I'll end up zapping you misses lol

uncle mick · Post by **uncle mick** » Mon 14 Jan, 2013 4:43 am

Another view of the casehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-226188 ... abuse.html

chemimike · Post by **chemimike** » Mon 14 Jan, 2013 6:22 am

That's one of the few times I've ever read anything sensible in the Daily Mail.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Mon 14 Jan, 2013 11:49 am

Spackler:-"I havent accused you of anything Jogon" = Agreed, I didn't think you had - don't go mate "If you are indeed replying to my post" = I wasn't, just covering some of M'learned friend cnosgnci's comments. THE BEAUTY of this thread is that it has not been 'pulled'/removed/ or hindsighted as is the current yewtree vogue.Lot of folk wanted it thus and still do, that would be a shame.I'd allus thought Jim Sav was, on balance, an ok guy with lot's of naysayers cos he was unconventional and rich. Like a lot of Leeds who turned out for his funeral.This wonderful thread saw my initial fond farewells etc, then disbelief, then sort of sadness at the stuff coming out (fallen hero etc). As someone said - it's a rollercoaster of emotions and shows human nature 1. He's great 2. They say he's not 3. He's not great 4. Dig him up.I'm uncomfortable that yewtree is part of the sort-of Blair's Britain / let's apologise for slavery / handwringing / rather than a proper factual exercise by Police who did nowt 1st 2nd 3rd 4th etc time around. psI should like to form a clique about the Isle of Cynder.Just me then.

anthonydna · Post by **anthonydna** » Mon 14 Jan, 2013 12:18 pm

I knew it would be Blair's fault !He probably spent 10 Christmas's with him and gave him a knighthood.

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 14 Jan, 2013 1:49 pm

The Parksider wrote: Spackler wrote: I wont be replying again on this subject or this forum as Im disappointed the way this site has headed. C'mon Mods dump this thread, delete the lot.The subject is about various depressing aspects of life where people with money can do what they want skating along the margins of the criminal law, whilst their money will afford them the ability to use the civil law to prevent those that do perhaps care from tipping them over that margin.let's give Louis Theroux a knighthood for getting the accusation in. 100 cowards were cowed from doing.And let's remember just because Savile came from Leeds his actions are not about Leeds, and have therefore no real place on here. But then the thread did not start off like that,how could we see that coming?Its everyones choise whether or not to read or contribute to a thread and express an opinion,as you have done.It obvioulsy must be relevant to Leeds because it has caused an awful lot of discussion,which i have to say considering the subject has on the whole been constructive discourse carried out on the whole in a decent manner.