You Wait Ages For A Bus

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Sun 29 Jul, 2012 5:09 pm

I though that the whole point of the "every 10 minutes" service (and it's like) was that they don't actually publish a timetable, they just state it's a 'frequent service'.I've been told that the actual "service delivery" on an every 10 minutes route is to run 6 buses an hour, rather than to ensure the services are equally spaced - so in theory you could see 6 buses arrive in the first 10 minutes of a given hour (not actually that unlikely on some services I've used...) and then a gap of 50 minutes until the next one.Before the 4 route was truncated to Seacroft they would frequently run past our house in pairs, despite us living less than 10 stops from the easterly terminus. The 16 seems to suffer from similar problems now it has taken over on this section of the route.

simong · Post by **simong** » Sun 29 Jul, 2012 8:06 pm

On frequent services bunching is more or less inevitable as buses will be dispatched on a schedule from start of the route. If a bus falls behind schedule it's turned around and dispatched in the next available slot. At certain times of day this means that two will get dispatched at the same time so they can be at the other end of the route at the right time or if they need to be somewhere to start a different route. There's little or no spare stock to be redeployed so every bus has to be revenue producing, even if, particularly in the case of the 16, it's possible to see three in a row, as is common on Farsley Town Street.

somme1916 · Post by **somme1916** » Sun 29 Jul, 2012 9:26 pm

simong wrote: On frequent services bunching is more or less inevitable as buses will be dispatched on a schedule from start of the route. If a bus falls behind schedule it's turned around and dispatched in the next available slot. At certain times of day this means that two will get dispatched at the same time so they can be at the other end of the route at the right time or if they need to be somewhere to start a different route. There's little or no spare stock to be redeployed so every bus has to be revenue producing, even if, particularly in the case of the 16, it's possible to see three in a row, as is common on Farsley Town Street. Yes indeed, our "barmy bus barons" also ensure this is frequently the case in point on the 12/13/13a service up Belle Isle Rd to Middleton.I have often been left agog,standing near Morrisons there,as a plethora of these so numbered transports of human traffic,crawl slowly by.....mostly containing a fraction of the total percentage of the buses capacity.It beggars belief....and frustrates the passenger awaiting other buses which often either fail to materialise or pay lip service to any aspect of the timetable system.....and this is at non-busy periods.

dogduke · Post by **dogduke** » Tue 07 Aug, 2012 4:36 pm

The ticket guy on the No.4 this morning was telling alland sundry that the "slugs"will be withdrawn for service within 2weeks and the 72 ftr service will start Oct 27 by which timesufficient refurb/repainted ftr vehicles will take over onte Leeds - Bradford route.God knows what sort of rubbish will cascade onto the No.4 !

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Tue 07 Aug, 2012 8:40 pm

dogduke wrote: The ticket guy on the No.4 this morning was telling alland sundry that the "slugs"will be withdrawn for service within 2weeks and the 72 ftr service will start Oct 27 by which timesufficient refurb/repainted ftr vehicles will take over onte Leeds - Bradford route.God knows what sort of rubbish will cascade onto the No.4 ! Probably the P and R reg single manned double deckers that make fairly frequent appearances on the route now, especially on weekends "due to staffing difficulties". No shiny silver hybrids for the likes of us!

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Tue 07 Aug, 2012 8:53 pm

dogduke wrote: God knows what sort of rubbish will cascade onto the No.4 ! I shouldn't be too concerned if I were you dogduke - whatever the replacement vehicles are they will at least be proper buses with an adequate number of seats, not 40 + seater giant articulated buses purporting to be "Streetcars" and they won't require a costly "customer service host" to assist the "pilot." Quite a few folks are taking "recreational" bets on how many weeks the 72 Bradford pantomime will last

somme1916 · Post by **somme1916** » Tue 07 Aug, 2012 9:29 pm

BLAKEY wrote: dogduke wrote: God knows what sort of rubbish will cascade onto the No.4 ! I shouldn't be too concerned if I were you dogduke - whatever the replacement vehicles are they will at least be proper buses with an adequate number of seats, not 40 + seater giant articulated buses purporting to be "Streetcars" and they won't require a costly "customer service host" to assist the "pilot." Quite a few folks are taking "recreational" bets on how many weeks the 72 Bradford pantomime will last Nice post Blakey.......very funny !

biofichompinc · Post by **biofichompinc** » Tue 07 Aug, 2012 9:35 pm

Is this a new phenomenon where passengers on buses think they might catch something if they sit in a window seat?I am a regular bus traveller now and everytime I get the bus there are at least two and sometimes three, four or five passengers 'blocking' a window seat. I would like to ask them if they paid for their bag to have a seat but some of them don't even have one.It's a more regular occurrence going up and down Roundhay Road than on the Morley bus.This and feet on the back seats are really out of order.

somme1916 · Post by **somme1916** » Tue 07 Aug, 2012 9:59 pm

salt 'n pepper wrote: Is this a new phenomenon where passengers on buses think they might catch something if they sit in a window seat?I am a regular bus traveller now and everytime I get the bus there are at least two and sometimes three, four or five passengers 'blocking' a window seat. I would like to ask them if they paid for their bag to have a seat but some of them don't even have one.It's a more regular occurrence going up and down Roundhay Road than on the Morley bus.This and feet on the back seats are really out of order. Oooh don't get me going with the seats issue in particular.Does my head in to see feet parked up across the back seats.If you say anything they just look at you summat stupid like or issue a few choice expletives(girls especially).Why do it ? Do they treat their own furniture the same ? One young lad said it just made him comfortable and checked his trainers were clean beforehand ! Yeah,right....the fact he'd been tramping through town on dirty streets,roads,paths,grass with who knows what on,assured him the authority to state his footwear was clean.The "dual occupancy" issue is another bugbear.Quite often you'll see a "token"bag left in the aisle seat to denote seat taken.The owner is often to be seen staring blankly out of the window at just about anything to avoid a conversation with a new passenger as to the said seat's availability.What inconsiderate passengers are amongst us.Won't even go into the pie gobblers,pastie munchers,crisp rattlers and drinks bottle chuckers but to name a few of the other culprits for this title.

dogduke · Post by **dogduke** » Tue 07 Aug, 2012 10:19 pm

I had an idea that the seating capacity was poor,Blakey says 40 +so I was really worried by the YEP blurb 14/6/12 re the transfer onto the Bradford routePart of reportPreviously dubbed ‘ftrs’ after the texting shorthand for future, each streetcar can carry more than 100 people.The last place I want to be with 100+ people is on a purple soon tobe blue slug