Leeds/Bradford. Most congested roads in Britain.

Si · Post by Si » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 4:01 pm

Keg wrote: How are trolley buses going to help?Will they run on their own tracks? if so are these going to be newly built or run along normal roads?. Trolley buses on rails? Whatever will they think of next...

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 4:33 pm

Keg wrote: How are trolley buses going to help? They will help because they are simply 'innovative'They have their own bits of red road to float along on, or so the artist impressions would have you believe. But in reality yes they run on normal road tyres along already existing roads

Keg · Post by **Keg** » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 4:56 pm

Like the replies chaps, espcially your reply Si

.So i am right in thinking that they will take up the same road space as a bus, but with a permanent infrastructure rather than the flexibility a bus offers?

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 4:58 pm

Keg wrote: Like the replies chaps, espcially your reply Si

.So i am right in thinking that they will take up the same road space as a bus, but with a permanent infrastructure rather than the flexibility a bus offers? There is a Secret Leeds specific thread about the Folly bus herehttp://www.secretleeds.co.uk/forum/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=3543

Keg · Post by **Keg** » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 5:49 pm

Brilliant name!, i take it from your posts you don't approve Phil?.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 5:54 pm

Keg wrote: Brilliant name!, i take it from your posts you don't approve Phil?. Good assumption

somme1916 · Post by **somme1916** » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 9:26 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: Keg wrote: Brilliant name!, i take it from your posts you don't approve Phil?. Good assumption Hee Hee,a la Monty Python......"You are a very naughty boy" Phill........back to the roads question.Wakefield are adopting a one way flow system in and out of the northern section of the city(i.e.from Leeds direction) via Northgate(inbound) and Bond St/Wentworth St(outbound)........not quite a new idea I hear you say but could Leeds's roads be "improved" further by any alterations to the current arrangements ? Note the emphasis on improved before commenting !I wont even mention the T word.......

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 9:43 pm

somme1916 wrote: Phill_dvsn wrote: Keg wrote: Brilliant name!, i take it from your posts you don't approve Phil?. Good assumption Hee Hee,a la Monty Python......"You are a very naughty boy" Phill........back to the roads question.Wakefield are adopting a one way flow system in and out of the northern section of the city(i.e.from Leeds direction) via Northgate(inbound) and Bond St/Wentworth St(outbound)........not quite a new idea I hear you say but could Leeds's roads be "improved" further by any alterations to the current arrangements ? Note the emphasis on improved before commenting !I wont even mention the T word....... Shock horror, but I think the basic idea of the City Centre Loop road is basically sound, it's just poorly implemented.To get things working properly there need to be some relatively inexpensive changes, which I'll now outline.The whole Loop needs to be made a 'no stopping' - like London's Red Routes - with this properly enforced between, say 6am and 7pm. Get the Civil Parking Enforcement Officers (CPEO's / traffic wardens) away from wandering around Park Square all afternoon and onto known bottlenecks like Quebec Street / Bishopsgate Street to keep things flowing.The red routes should be extended to other key feeder routes, such as Neville Street where one private hire taxi waiting for a fare outside the Hilton frequently backs traffic up onto the M621 by reducing traffic flow by 50%. CPEOs patrolling these streets too please.The timings of the traffic lights also needs to be addressed - I drive parts of the Loop every day and the lights don't follow on smoothly so you are forced to stop frequently - bad for traffic flow, bad for emissions too. More time on green, particularly for traffic already on the Loop (rather than traffic joining it / crossing it), plus flexible change cycles that can be altered as necessary by someone at Urban Traffic Control.Change the hours allowed at certain on street parking bays to ensure maximum road width is available at the peaks. For example the bays on St Pauls Street (just before the right turn onto Park Sq near Pizza Express) and Queen Street at the junction with Wellington Street should both be suspended after 4pm so there is adequate room for traffic to make the most of the available road rather than being backed up. If you use either of these roads you'll know what I mean.None of this is rocket science and could be achieved at minimal cost, but there seems to be a real lack of will to make any changes.

somme1916 · Post by **somme1916** » Wed 18 Jul, 2012 10:23 pm

raveydavey wrote: somme1916 wrote: Phill_dvsn wrote: Keg wrote: Brilliant name!, i take it from your posts you don't approve Phil?. Good assumption Hee Hee,a la Monty Python......"You are a very naughty boy" Phill........back to the roads question.Wakefield are adopting a one way flow system in and out of the northern section of the city(i.e.from Leeds direction) via Northgate(inbound) and Bond St/Wentworth St(outbound)........not quite a new idea I hear you say but could Leeds's roads be "improved" further by any alterations to the current arrangements ? Note the emphasis on improved before commenting !I wont even mention the T word....... Shock horror, but I think the basic idea of the City Centre Loop road is basically sound, it's just poorly implemented.To get things working properly there need to be some relatively inexpensive changes, which I'll now outline.The whole Loop needs to be made a 'no stopping' - like London's Red Routes - with this properly enforced between, say 6am and 7pm. Get the Civil Parking Enforcement Officers (CPEO's / traffic wardens) away from wandering around Park Square all afternoon and onto known bottlenecks like Quebec Street / Bishopsgate Street to keep things flowing.The red routes should be extended to other key feeder routes, such as Neville Street where one private hire taxi waiting for a fare outside the Hilton frequently backs traffic up onto the M621 by reducing traffic flow by 50%. CPEOs patrolling these streets too please.The timings of the traffic lights also needs to be addressed - I drive parts of the Loop every day and the lights don't follow on smoothly so you are forced to stop frequently - bad for traffic flow, bad for emissions too. More time on green, particularly for traffic already on the Loop (rather than traffic joining it / crossing it), plus flexible change cycles that can be altered as necessary by someone at Urban Traffic Control.Change the hours allowed at certain on street parking bays to ensure maximum road width is available at the peaks. For example the bays on St Pauls Street (just before the right turn onto Park Sq near Pizza Express) and Queen Street at the junction with Wellington Street should both be suspended after 4pm so there is adequate room for traffic to make the most of the available road rather than being backed up. If you use either of these roads you'll know what I mean.None of this is rocket science and could be achieved at minimal cost, but there seems to be a real lack of will to make any changes. Good,sound points ravey.....I particurlarly note the one about the Hilton.I pass by here frequently and am amazed how much standing traffic is allowed to "wait" outside,thus blocking off one lane of a major arterial inroad to the city.These range from taxis,delivery vehicles,cars whose drivers are lost/cannot find a parking space within,to large coaches/buses dropping off a full complement of passengers.Whoever decided to site this particular hotel here has a lot to answer for to the motorist struggling to negotiate this particular inbound route !