Places / Streets etc that sound nothing like they are spelled

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 29 May, 2012 10:58 am

double ,sorry

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 29 May, 2012 10:58 am

Mork of Ork wrote: raveydavey wrote: Let's not forget our near neighbours in Bratfud either. Round our way we also say Puttsey. If you can tell the difference between someone saying ( in conversation) 'Pudsey' and someone saying 'Putsey' then you're a better man than me. The same goes for Bradford and Bratford. Technically 'T' is the voiceless alveolar plosive, 'D' is the voiced alveolar plosive. This means that the difference between the two is that with'D' you use your vocal cords, with 'T' you don't. Otherwise you form the sounds identically. The difference between the two, in the middle of words is therefore quite subtle, to the point of being almost indiscernible.

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 29 May, 2012 11:09 am

Caron wrote: The english language is quite complicated really.I was taught that "E" is more often than not, silent. In that case, maybe Harewood should be pronouced Harwood?Berkshire isn't pronounced Burkshire but Barkshire.Berkley is pronounced BarclayMainwaring...Mannering etc etcI love our language, it's such a mish-mash! The 'e' often is 'silent' - but it is not ignored - it has the effect of modifiying the preceding vowel sound - eg 'Tin' and 'Tine', 'Bar' and 'Bare', 'Dun' and 'Dune', 'Cot' and 'Cote' etc etc. Therefore Harewood should be pronounced 'Hair-wood'

Harvey12 · Post by **Harvey12** » Tue 29 May, 2012 11:13 am

Agreed. Harewood is indeed "hairwood"!

Caron · Post by **Caron** » Tue 29 May, 2012 12:16 pm

drapesy wrote: Caron wrote: The english language is quite complicated really.I was taught that "E" is more often than not, silent. In that case, maybe Harewood should be pronouced Harwood?Berkshire isn't pronounced Burkshire but Barkshire.Berkley is pronounced BarclayMainwaring...Mannering etc etcI love our language, it's such a mish-mash! The 'e' often is 'silent' - but it is not ignored - it has the effect of modifiying the preceding vowel sound - eg 'Tin' and 'Tine', 'Bar' and 'Bare', 'Dun' and 'Dune', 'Cot' and 'Cote' etc etc. Therefore Harewood should be pronounced 'Hair-wood' Yes, ALL of your comment is what I was taught, Drapesy. English was the only subject I enjoyed when at school. Reading your comment took me back in time!

jim · Post by **jim** » Tue 29 May, 2012 12:35 pm

drapesy wrote: [ Technically 'T' is the voiceless alveolar plosive, 'D' is the voiced alveolar plosive. This means that the difference between the two is that with'D' you use your vocal cords, with 'T' you don't. Otherwise you form the sounds identically. The difference between the two, in the middle of words is therefore quite subtle, to the point of being almost indiscernible. The problem with Leeds (and other northern) speech is that for "d" and "t" to be properly articulated, the tongue must touch the gum immediaely behind the front top teeth. Most folk round here (and I include myself here) speak without this contact being made, with the result that the sound which comes out is some kind of barely articulated glottal stop with little or no differentiation between the two letters. EDIT:- This doesn't seem to apply for the beginning of words starting with these letters, though.

HelenG · Post by **HelenG** » Tue 29 May, 2012 2:31 pm

drapesy wrote: Caron wrote: The english language is quite complicated really.I was taught that "E" is more often than not, silent. In that case, maybe Harewood should be pronouced Harwood?Berkshire isn't pronounced Burkshire but Barkshire.Berkley is pronounced BarclayMainwaring...Mannering etc etcI love our language, it's such a mish-mash! The 'e' often is 'silent' - but it is not ignored - it has the effect of modifiying the preceding vowel sound - eg 'Tin' and 'Tine', 'Bar' and 'Bare', 'Dun' and 'Dune', 'Cot' and 'Cote' etc etc. Therefore Harewood should be pronounced 'Hair-wood' " The 'e' is silent" like the 'p' in swimming bath

Johnny39 · Post by **Johnny39** » Tue 29 May, 2012 3:56 pm

Harvey12 wrote: Agreed. Harewood is indeed "hairwood"! There used to be a saying in the newspaper Reading Rooms I've worked in, "No rules for names".

jdbythesea · Post by **jdbythesea** » Tue 29 May, 2012 4:00 pm

drapesy wrote: Mork of Ork wrote: raveydavey wrote: Let's not forget our near neighbours in Bratfud either. Round our way we also say Puttsey. If you can tell the difference between someone saying ( in conversation) 'Pudsey' and someone saying 'Putsey' then you're a better man than me. The same goes for Bradford and Bratford. Technically 'T' is the voiceless alveolar plosive, 'D' is the voiced alveolar plosive. This means that the difference between the two is that with'D' you use your vocal cords, with 'T' you don't. Otherwise you form the sounds identically. The difference between the two, in the middle of words is therefore quite subtle, to the point of being almost indiscernible. Yes, but what about double L and double D words? The theory seems to be tested by double-L words such as; cattle, letter, skittle, rotten and butter where the T sound is often lazily omitted. Whereas, words with double-D such as madder, redder, bidder, fodder and rudder seem, generally, to be pronounced more clearly.Perhaps, as Lerner and Loewe (via Henry Higgins) questions, "Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?" JD

Caron · Post by **Caron** » Tue 29 May, 2012 4:09 pm

People who say "chimLey" instead of "chimNey"....ARRGHHH!!!