any present day evidence of any train tracks at Crown Point area at all now?

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 15 May, 2012 11:07 pm

pablo leeds wrote: ah so that car park is next to where Mission, The Shed and Cockpit bars are now. massive void area as you say.what year is the colour one roughly Phill? Late 80's to early 90's I'd say, the train is a 2nd generation mulitiple unit that means it's not before 1987. Quarry House isn't on the skyline yet, that dates it before 1993.

pablo leeds · Post by **pablo leeds** » Tue 15 May, 2012 11:11 pm

phill are there any pics you know of showing the arches round that area face on?i'm particularly interested in the Cockpit bar (housed under arches) on swinegate just off your pic above. ever seen any?i used to go to gigs there alot and always wondered about it's past. never seen any pics anywhere of it's front entrance pre-Cockpit. the entrance is just under the swinegate bridge

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 15 May, 2012 11:17 pm

pablo leeds wrote: phill are there any pics you know of showing the arches round that area face on?i'm particularly interested in the Cockpit bar (housed under arches) on swinegate just off your pic above. ever seen any?i used to go to gigs there alot and always wondered about it's past. never seen any pics anywhere of it's front entrance pre-Cockpit. the entrance is just under the swinegate bridge I've not seen any, but will keep it noted in the old nogging if I do

pablo leeds · Post by **pablo leeds** » Tue 15 May, 2012 11:35 pm

ok 2 things that still be deceving my eyes after reviewing the posts/pics:1. On the left of this pic:http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... FULL...the 2 towers look quite far apart.Here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/manxphil/4 ... tream/they look almost parallel to each other.2. if this is (i assume) the same view:http://www.flickr.com/photos/thanoz/692 ... ream/...on top pic the lifting tower on right looks "face on" to the tracks whereas on the bottom pic the same tower looks side on just me?

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 15 May, 2012 11:42 pm

pablo leeds wrote: just me? I think so.Just take it for granted what you see here is what it was in reality.Forget the different angles, and aerial high and low images. Optical illusions and distances play tricks. Try look at yourself through two mirrors, I bet you look different to what you think you do from another angle

pablo leeds · Post by **pablo leeds** » Tue 15 May, 2012 11:49 pm

fair enough coffee time. my eyes hurt lol

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Wed 16 May, 2012 12:14 am

pablo leeds wrote: fair enough coffee time. my eyes hurt lol Just to illustrate optical illusions with distances.I thought I was seeing tricks at first with two identical locos one noticeably bigger. One is on the track parallel but looks considerably smaller.

pablo leeds · Post by **pablo leeds** » Wed 16 May, 2012 12:38 am

seen this set Phill? lovely stuff:http://flic.kr/p/axtA5y

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Wed 16 May, 2012 12:44 am

pablo leeds wrote: seen this set Phill? lovely stuff:http://flic.kr/p/axtA5y Cracking stuff, and I think they should just about sort out your puzzles too. A great set of photos indeed.

pablo leeds · Post by **pablo leeds** » Wed 16 May, 2012 12:45 am

amazingly good if Central closed in 1967?when did they remove the viaduct near the surviving hoist do you know cos these are from 1981