Leeds burglar’s letter to victim... ...

[LS1]

Geordie-exile wrote: Are you seriously suggesting that burglars and arsonists are put to death? No, not if you read the post properly. I think subsequent comments explain the point. Some people are simply bad, and no amount of rehab will change that.Reminds me of the time a group of lads cut the horns of a goat and broke it's legs and left it to die. Perhaps dispatching these people is a little harsh - just do unto them as they have others. I read today, although not in Leeds, that an OAP had her bag nicked with her dead husband's ashes in and some money in. She later died. My grandma is 94 and I know how I'd feel and what I'd like to do the person if it happened to her.What would you suggest Geordie?

[tilly]

I know what i would do if it had been my mother lets put it this way i would have been in jail .He would be in a box not haveing an easy life for five years to be let out to do the same again. I am of the old school an eye for an eye.And before any one asks i have never been in trouble with the police in my life but you leave me in peace i will leave you in peace.    

[raveydavey]

This summers riots have shown how soft the justice system has become. Most of those arrested have a long list of prior offences and were known to the authorities, yet hardly any had actually received any meaningful punishment for their crimes.For my money, the problem is the idiotic "rights" that everyone has. These are hopelessly slanted to individual rights, when the first concern should be the collective right of all."It's my rights" is one of the most overused phrases in society today. No, rights have to be earned and if you insist on acting in a way that is unacceptable to most people then you should forgo those rights.However we have a system where it seems that doing whatever you want to do is prized most highly of all, regardless of the impact it has on anyone else. But all that is needed is a simple extra line adding to the appropriate legislation: The rights of the many will always take precedent over the rights of any individual.    

[jdbythesea]

raveydavey wrote: This summers riots have shown how soft the justice system has become. Most of those arrested have a long list of prior offences and were known to the authorities, yet hardly any had actually received any meaningful punishment for their crimes.For my money, the problem is the idiotic "rights" that everyone has. These are hopelessly slanted to individual rights, when the first concern should be the collective right of all."It's my rights" is one of the most overused phrases in society today. No, rights have to be earned and if you insist on acting in a way that is unacceptable to most people then you should forgo those rights.However we have a system where it seems that doing whatever you want to do is prized most highly of all, regardless of the impact it has on anyone else. Tet all that is needed is a simply extra line adding to the appropriate legislation: The rights of the many will always take precedent over the rights of any individual. Hear, hear Davey.These days everybody talks about rights for this and rights for that. When I was younger nobody talked about anybody's rights for goodness sake. Far, far greater importance was attached to your own responsibilities to others. We had these drummed in at a young age by parents and teachers and woebetide anyone who was seen to be ill-mannered or disrespectful (a word that now has a different meaning on the streets alas). Society was all the better for it. I applied the same credo when my two girls were young and they've turned out OK. What's happened? Where did it go wrong?

[electricaldave]

Hmmph, those 'rights' are a real pain.So is the legal aid that prisoners get out of your money. It is quite common for prisoners to make allegations against staff in order to avoid being disciplined by staff. My view is that any prisoner making allegations should pay the full costs of legal representation, and claim it back from the state should there be reasonable grounds to believe that there has been a breach of said rights.As it stands, prisoners in their last few weeks will infringe prison rules, be place on report and will use delaying tactics by calling for legal representation - thus avoiding being held to account. They should be made to stay in prison until any outstanding proceedings against them have been resolved, after all they are only using up part of their licence time - and this is part of their court imposed sentence anyway.There is absolutely no comeback whatsoever for staff who have had these allegations made against them, and these are frequently transparently false, but procedures must be followed. This is a problem in schools too, even when an allegation has been thrown out, the suspension of staff can be traumatic and the fact that any allegation has been made simply does not die, it is informally remembered and also can impact on the career. I would very much like the accuser in these situations to be compelled to account for their spiteful acts, and be sanctioned for it.I noticed in the news a girl in Leeds had made a false allegation of sexual assault which was duly investigated, and she has admitted the lie - no doubt she could be charged with wasting police time, I just wonder why the time of schoolteachers and prison staff is not treated in the same manner.I have seen cases where prisoners have refused to work, and when put on report they have played the 'race card' which means a formal investigation into the member of staff who was completely blameless, and the lack of any support from the management for individuals simply carrying out their duties correctly is disquieting.

[Kimura]

raveydavey wrote: This summers riots have shown how soft the justice system has become. Most of those arrested have a long list of prior offences and were known to the authorities, yet hardly any had actually received any meaningful punishment for their crimes.For my money, the problem is the idiotic "rights" that everyone has. These are hopelessly slanted to individual rights, when the first concern should be the collective right of all."It's my rights" is one of the most overused phrases in society today. No, rights have to be earned and if you insist on acting in a way that is unacceptable to most people then you should forgo those rights.However we have a system where it seems that doing whatever you want to do is prized most highly of all, regardless of the impact it has on anyone else. But all that is needed is a simple extra line adding to the appropriate legislation: The rights of the many will always take precedent over the rights of any individual.     That is so true! I remember when I was a kid, I had no rights either at Home or at School.

[simon2710]

Hopefully, his come-uppance will arrive in the form of "what goes around, comes around". Hopefully, one of his family members will be burgled. I say this because chances are, he won't have a home to live in as will probably be in prison so doesn't have to worry about getting burlged himself. :\

[BarFly]

anthonydna wrote: It always amazes me how many "decent" people would happily kill someone who steals something. I guess that's what makes them decent. I think some people just believe that you have a right to live as you want, without hurting others, and a right to personal space and property. Then there are people who believe that nobody has a right to anything.The former, when confronted with the latter, simply decide to abide by the rules of the scum they are confronted with.If I'm woken at silly o'clock in the morning by some piece of [edited for content] like the one mentioned at the root of this thread then why the hell should I have to either lose my property or face a prison sentence? Are you suggesting I ought to call a lawyer and ask the intruder what weapons they're carrying and whether they're violent or not? Why is it the property owner's problem if someone decides to steal from them?Ideally, if caught, these people would just say "Sorry, you got me.", drop your stuff and run -- can you guarantee that will always happen? If not, then the only way a property owner can be certain of remaining safe and not losing their property is to be extremely violent to the intruder. Well, it would be if it wasn't illegal to defend your own home in this country.Apparently a "decent person" on being burgled should just stay away from the intruder, call the police after they leave and replace anything stolen out of their own pocket. Apparently a decent person should be donating to the letter writer today.

[jonleeds]

...'angins too good for 'em!

[zip55]

jonleeds wrote: ...'angins too good for 'em! No it's not ...