Inns, pubs, hotels, temperance etc

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 12:13 am

Cardiarms wrote: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?client=sa ... ,-14.92now shut I think Ta Cardi......One of those pubs that were created after a row of council estate shops shut and the idea was create a pub (hark to rover, monkswood? any more??) only for those pubs to shut!!!!Exactly where though??? Is this little London??I'm assuming Carlton Barracks housed the regiment, and that the name for this "parade" (geddit) was chosen in retrospect!

liits · Post by **liits** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 12:57 am

chemimike wrote: PsrksiderThe original 1830 Beer Act was designed partly as a measure to curry favour with the people by reducing the price of beer, partly to incourage beer drinking over spirit drinking (particularly gin). Any ratepayer could apply for a licence for an annual fee of 2 guineas. Beer duty was abolished, though there was still duty on malt & hops. Beerhouses had to close between 10pm & 4am on weeekdays, and could only open 1-3pm and 5-10pm on a sunday. Public ahouses only had the restriction of being closed during sunday morning church service. Later Bills changed hours and conditions, and some beerhouses later applied for public house licences. One point i am not quite clear about is whether cider was included as being allowed to be sold. Beer Cider Perry and Porter.

liits · Post by **liits** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 12:57 am

The Parksider wrote: Steve Jones wrote: Parksider,the answer to our query as to why so many pubs,lies in the Beerhouse Act which allowed anyone to set up a place for selling beer.This meant anyone could brew or sell beer so many people started seling from home which gradually turned into pubs.This is why you have a lot of victorian pubs in terraces as they started as beerhouses.people brewed their own back then and sold it to friends,neighbours etc Steve - can you expand??Just beer??? Any hours restrictions or other rules and regs??? The Beer Hose Act 1830 was a way of gaining a license [to sell beer, not wines and or spirits] without going through all the rigmarole of obtaining a “full on” [Part 1] Justices License. The idea behind it, unbelievably, being to get people to drink beer and wean them away from spirits.They had the same strictures in terms of opening hours - which varied from licensing district to licensing district, but that was about it. They could also apply for a “Wine License” but this only really covered fortified wines.As SteveJones said, many beer houses were set up in people’s homes, there being less stipulation on the physical attributes and condition and attributes of the premises themselves than there were for public houses.Things didn’t last long, and control of beer houses came under the jurisdiction of the Magistrates in 1869. While no more new beer house [Part 3] licenses were granted under the new Act, there was no move to get rid of them until the 1904 Act came in. The 1910 Licensing [Consolidation] Act saw things really start to move and as part 3 licenses came up for renewal the opportunity was taken to close them down [subject to the payment of compensation]. This wasn’t just aimed at beer houses, pubs were liable for this to happen to them too.I suppose that the only time that pubs and beer houses were every really safe from the vagaries of the butcher the baker and the green grocer sitting on the bench was during WW1 and the Defence of the Realm Act with state control over licensing hours and conditions. Of course, that didn’t last long and it all fell apart from there.The dipping of snouts into the trough by Local Authorities, tacking stupid little bits of delegated powers licensing onto existing licenses [a hangover from the Watch Committees & Lord Chamberlain] – and charging the earth for it was what the “new” Act was designed to cure. When it actually came into farce [not a spelling mistake] in 2005, they gained control of all licensing and it’s been the wild west ever since! Not that I have any axe to grind but they can’t even empty the bin or light the damn streets for goodness sake!

vjs · Post by **vjs** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 6:01 am

Thanks for the reminders re pub names,could not recall Windsor Castle's name tho it's just down the road-hadn't heard of Nautical Wheel for the General Wade so all interesting. For Uncle Mick re Leeds Rifleman-it still exists, an estate pub for the Carlton part of Little London, it's at 2,Carlton Parade Leeds 7 not far from the Territorial barracks so the name at least has a connection, it's a modern pub-could have a military "theme", I've only been there once many years ago. Cheers, vjs

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 8:31 am

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but the modern pub on the east side of Lovell Park Road (Camp Road as was) was called the Hobby Horse at one time - haven't been past there for ages but will look again sometime.

dogduke · Post by **dogduke** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 11:50 am

I seem to remember from my early drinkingdays in the 60's that The Red Bear on the corner ofskinner Lane/Cherry Row only had a beer licence.The building was left derelict for a long time.

vjs · Post by **vjs** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 12:18 pm

Blakey, Hobby Horse is still there, name not changed. vjs

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 12:39 pm

vjs wrote: Blakey, Hobby Horse is still there, name not changed. vjs Thanks for that vjs - and wasn't there another modern pub on the other side called, I believe, the Little Londoner ??

vjs · Post by **vjs** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 2:33 pm

Hi Blakey, yes there was a Little Londoner but now gone-not as I recall a very salubrious place! vjs