Ark Royal

robontheroad · Post by **robontheroad** » Thu 21 Oct, 2010 1:49 pm

The Americans would help if the Falklands were attacked again.Doesn't seem right that we have aircraft carriers without planes but its not the Con-Lib's that have got us into this mess is it? Gordon really shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the countries purse strings.

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Thu 21 Oct, 2010 2:03 pm

robontheroad wrote: The Americans would help if the Falklands were attacked again.Doesn't seem right that we have aircraft carriers without planes but its not the Con-Lib's that have got us into this mess is it? Gordon really shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the countries purse strings. At a price. The Falkland are about stpping stones to Antarctica and oil. TheYanks would do a Dragon's Den and demand a bigger chunk of the exploration rights in return.

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 21 Oct, 2010 3:02 pm

Reginal Perrin wrote: robontheroad wrote: The Americans would help if the Falklands were attacked again.Doesn't seem right that we have aircraft carriers without planes but its not the Con-Lib's that have got us into this mess is it? Gordon really shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the countries purse strings. At a price. The Falkland are about stpping stones to Antarctica and oil. TheYanks would do a Dragon's Den and demand a bigger chunk of the exploration rights in return. Indeed,spot on Reggie.Cant see the septics helping,and why should they.The Argies have many friends in central America and the septics want to keep them on side.What i dont get is the hype that the tories put out about being patriotic this,armed forces that and they slash the very essentials we need to protect our interests and fulfill our commitments abroad.Id rather see a reduction in nuclear weapons (never thought id say that in the 1980's,very very anti CND) as we wont use thes unless we are struck first.Another thing,the number of public service jobs going,appropx 450.000,will have a huge strain on the welfare state and also remove funding from the government coffers due to les tax being collected,both personal and on VAT as these people wont be spending as much.We reallly are pushed,if we stop propping the banks up then our one and only true international industry will be gone and we will be nothing.Yet its these banks who have kicked this all off

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Thu 21 Oct, 2010 3:42 pm

I have to say I don't get the contract where if these aircraft carriers are not built they will cost more. Well as the buyer surely the Government should just give them the finger and say see you in court and threaten top leave them off all future procurement lists.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Thu 21 Oct, 2010 10:33 pm

And every other manufacturer would run a mile and we'd be asking the chinese to build them for us.

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Thu 21 Oct, 2010 10:48 pm

Reginal Perrin wrote: I have to say I don't get the contract where if these aircraft carriers are not built they will cost more. Well as the buyer surely the Government should just give them the finger and say see you in court and threaten top leave them off all future procurement lists. I'd be more interested in "hung drawn and quartered" for the eejit politician who signed or got a civil servant to sign the contract. The shipbuilder pulled a fast one and new labour signed up knowing it wouldn't be them picking up the pieces

blackprince · Post by **blackprince** » Fri 22 Oct, 2010 1:19 am

robontheroad wrote: The Americans would help if the Falklands were attacked again.Doesn't seem right that we have aircraft carriers without planes but its not the Con-Lib's that have got us into this mess is it? Gordon really shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the countries purse strings. The US have made it very plain that they are neutral over the Falklands, but we don't need them anyway. There is a permanent garrison, an all weather runway with fast jets and the threat of nuclear hunter killer subs in the South Atlantic as a deterrent.

Post by **cnosni** » Fri 22 Oct, 2010 10:52 pm

blackprince wrote: robontheroad wrote: The Americans would help if the Falklands were attacked again.Doesn't seem right that we have aircraft carriers without planes but its not the Con-Lib's that have got us into this mess is it? Gordon really shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the countries purse strings. The US have made it very plain that they are neutral over the Falklands, but we don't need them anyway. There is a permanent garrison, an all weather runway with fast jets and the threat of nuclear hunter killer subs in the South Atlantic as a deterrent. Well thats the problem isnt it,an ally who doesnt fulfill the criteria.They are either our allies,or they are not.perhaps we should have been neutral on the 11th September 2001,no one was flying planes into our tall buildings .

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 3:46 pm

cnosni wrote: blackprince wrote: robontheroad wrote: The Americans would help if the Falklands were attacked again.Doesn't seem right that we have aircraft carriers without planes but its not the Con-Lib's that have got us into this mess is it? Gordon really shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the countries purse strings. The US have made it very plain that they are neutral over the Falklands, but we don't need them anyway. There is a permanent garrison, an all weather runway with fast jets and the threat of nuclear hunter killer subs in the South Atlantic as a deterrent. Well thats the problem isnt it,an ally who doesnt fulfill the criteria.They are either our allies,or they are not.perhaps we should have been neutral on the 11th September 2001,no one was flying planes into our tall buildings . As past experience has proved, we cannot rely on our allies so if a job needs doing we have to do it ourselves.The Americans did an awful lot behind the scenes in 1982, but would never commit combat troops or ships or aircraft if the Falklands were threatened again. Similarly can you really imagine French pilots flying off Royal Navy aircraft carriers on combat missions, as has been suggested?As has been said, the squadron of Typhoons and the sizeable Army garrison on the Islands should ensure that Argentina doesn't progress beyond sabre rattling.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Sat 23 Oct, 2010 9:37 pm

The French would never stand for the cooking. The US provided lots of satellite data for the Flaklands and promised a lot of Sidewinders.Trivia question. Which battleship survived Pearl Harbour only to be torpedoed by the Royal Navy?