Railway photo help please.

[drapesy]

this is taken from position 2 on Rikj's map ie Whitehall Road looking South -west, and it just doesn't stack up at all - the angles all wrong and the pattern of the ironwork along the front of the bridge doesn't tally.bear in mind too that unlike Gelderd Road the line of Whitehall Road at this point now is just the same as it was in 1915.

[drapesy]

The ironwork under the Whitehall Road bridge - completely different to the Gelderd Road/Wellington Road Bridge shown on p2.

[drapesy]

So to add to my pics - I would say that whilst Leodis is not infallible I think its very unlikely that they would err twice (1915 and 1932) in labelling the same place - and I think we can identify the buildings under the arch in 1915 picture - i.e the row of shops abutting the White Horse.I rest my case.

[rikj]

Sterling work there drapesy, I didn't think it would be long before people were out there dodging the traffic!Phil's reference to the Midland railway refers to their use of white tiles to face the walls underneath their bridges. One of the points about the original photograph was that although it looked very much like the Holbeck Station subway entrance at the gyratory there were no white tiles, as there are today.Not the white tiles nearest the roundabout, but the ones to the left of the subway entrance, visible on Phil's pic on the first page.If these tiles were added later than the pic (post 1915), then it all starts to fall into place, with no unexplained anomalies.The only other pic I can find of the possible buildings in the background is this one.This is the entrance to the coal depot (remains of which are still there) and the property next to them would be the one directly in the photographer's line of sight.It was Reg Park Co. Ltd. They sold body-building equipment and health food supplements.

[drapesy]

Thanks for that Rikj. I think the 1932 pic is the crucial piece of evidence that links the 1915 pic to the one I took yesterday - without it I don't think I could have shown the connection.Also - just because you can only SEE 2 bridges it doesn't mean there ARE only 2 bridges!! If you look at the 1932 pictures again the one that duplicates the original 1915 shot doesn't show the 'Appleyard for Morris' bridge (to the gasworks) because the central bridge completely obscures it - but look at the other 1932 pic - shot the other way from Wellington Road and there it is. This bridge has gone of course, there's a pedestrian footbridge there now.

[LS1]

I have just found this picture from the Leeds Termini book, which clearly shows the round railway building, and also Holbeck HL horizontally. You can see how the subway leads up a ramp to the high level, although low level is hardly recognisable. It does strike me as being a strange place to locate a station as the access is very tight! You can also see the buildings in the bottom left hand corner and see how they would have been viewed by the photographer looking towards town (on the pics I think Drapesy added and Phil). Also worth noting that on the right hand side of the roundhouse the proximity of the bridge look much as it does today. So am I right in thinking that the removal of the far right hand bridge is correct and the others remain?Also on the BBC Leeds "Hidden Leeds" section I posted a note there asking about the small tunnel a bit further round the gyratory that still remains, and I think some one said that it was part of the HL station. If so i guess it is somewhere near where the road on the right going from the top to the bottom is? Strange looking at this now as the whole of the bridge carrying the HL station is gone and is just a grass bank!

[LS1]

LS1 wrote: I have just found this picture from the Leeds Termini book, which clearly shows the round railway building, and also Holbeck HL horizontally. You can see how the subway leads up a ramp to the high level, although low level is hardly recognisable. It does strike me as being a strange place to locate a station as the access is very tight! You can also see the buildings in the bottom left hand corner and see how they would have been viewed by the photographer looking towards town. Also worth noting that on the right hand side of the roundhouse the proximity of the bridge look much as it does today. So am I right in thinking that the removal of the far right hand bridge is correct and the others remain?Also on the BBC Leeds Hidden Leeds section I posted a note there asking about the small tunnel a bit further rount the gyratory that still remains, and I think some one said that it was part of the HL station. If so i guess it is somewhere near where the road on the right going from the top to the bottom is? Strange looking at this now as the whole of the bridge carrying the HL station is gone and is just a grass bank! Helps if I add the pic!!

[rikj]

Hi LS1, I think all your assumptions are correct there. That bridge on the right has gone, though you can still see the abutments it rested on, by the lights at the roundabout. Used to be pastered in posters.The subway is/was at the end of that little street, Talavera Street it was called. The street seems to have continued a little way under the station before the subway started. The subway then had a small open air section (I suspect where the breeze block section is now). It then went underground again and emerged through the nice stone portal on Sutton Street. Sutton Street is still there though you might easily think it it part of Polestar (Pettys) printworks.If this blow up of the map uploads you'll see how it fitted together, though the quality is brill.The High Level Station seems to have just been bulldozed into those grass mounds that are there now. Phil and I have a secret dream that the arches of the station are still there, long buried under the ground!

[drapesy]

Brilliant pic LS1 - heres the current google earth image of same.

[drapesy]

Brilliant pic LS1 - heres the current google earth image of same.You'll see the bridge to the left /south has gone- also on the right/ north where the 'Appleyard' bridge was the bridge has been reduced in width - there's a footbridge there now.