Snow! Am I the only one who has had enough?

Richard A Thackeray · Mon 28 Dec, 2009 11:56 am

Si wrote: Geordie-exile wrote: RichT wrote: as even with Traction Control a supercharged 370BHP (370+ Ib/ft of torque) V8 wouldn't need much persuasion to inspect the nearest wall/hedgerow backwards See, I read that, but what I heard in my head was 'blah blah blah blah blah. It means: rear-wheel-drive + fat tyres + snow = accident. You should have bought a 2CV!!! It's not quite the same though is it??Yes, I agree, in the aspects of;Narrow tyres (bite in to snow)'High' ground pressure on ice (but not a lot of weight)Naff all power (to spin wheels)Quite a low weight (less kinetic energy)The XKR will easily spin a wheel on a bone-dry road, (with T/C engaged), especially through an off-camber junction, or slow bend - without any real variation of accelerator position.We've been using the Volvo estate, & my 110 instead. Si wrote: But seriously its all in the braking on a slippery surface True, but even for those with ABS, it's not a 'cure all' on ice & snow.If the wheel is on the 'unbrake' cycle of the ABS operation, & hasn't got enough traction to rotate again, it confuses the ABS system Well, it used to on older systems, not sure about the recent 'singing & dancing' derivatives

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Mon 28 Dec, 2009 2:23 pm

Yep. Still 'blah blah blah'

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Mon 28 Dec, 2009 4:47 pm

RichT wrote: & my 110 instead. I take it that's your chauffeur driven 110

Arry Awk · Post by **Arry Awk** » Mon 28 Dec, 2009 4:51 pm

Geordie-exile wrote: Yep. Still 'blah blah blah' Well said ,that Hinnie! Is 'Rangie' still posting? He'd show 'em how it's done!I don't drive any more but when I was a salesman in thecar accessories trade, we used to sell a product called.'Liquid Tyre Chain' in aerosol cans. It was very successfulwhen sprayed round the treads on your tyres and it gave instant traction to wheelspin. I remember the short publicity filmthat the manufacturers( Smith's?) put out,in which they appliedthe LTC to a London bus tyres on Streatham Ice Rink andthe 97hp vehicle easily drove off! (You didn't see it demolishthe box office of course! LOL!) Can you still buy it or has it been banned by H&S? I believe it contained ethanol or some suchsubstance that made you cough a bit mixed with the aerosolpropellant!

uncle mick · Post by **uncle mick** » Mon 28 Dec, 2009 6:00 pm

http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/lisptic ... lSomething similar Arry?

Si · Post by Si » Mon 28 Dec, 2009 6:14 pm

Sounds a bit dodgy to me. Shouldn't that ad be on the same page as the X-ray specs ads? Anyway, isn't toluene a banned solvent in the UK?

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Mon 28 Dec, 2009 6:20 pm

ABS effectively gives you no brakes at all on snow and ice - remember the whole point of an ABS system is that it stops the wheel from "locking up" under braking, thus allowing you to steer around any obstacle in theory.So, unless you have an early 90's Audi (which had a switch on the dash to allow you to turn the ABS off in icy conditions) you press the brake pedal down, the wheel starts to slip on the ice and the ABS releases the braking effort to stop what it thinks is a skid - the result is that you don't stop!

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 28 Dec, 2009 7:12 pm

Si wrote: Sounds a bit dodgy to me. Shouldn't that ad be on the same page as the X-ray specs ads? Anyway, isn't toluene a banned solvent in the UK? No. Very interesting when associated with NItric acid though....

Si · Post by Si » Tue 29 Dec, 2009 8:41 am

chameleon wrote: Si wrote: Sounds a bit dodgy to me. Shouldn't that ad be on the same page as the X-ray specs ads? Anyway, isn't toluene a banned solvent in the UK? No. Very interesting when associated with NItric acid though.... Anything's interesting when associated with nitric acid!

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Tue 29 Dec, 2009 11:26 am

Just to point out. Not all 4x4 owners are arrogant enough to assume certain mobility. Some do know how to drive!