The neverending creep of Tesco

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Thu 03 Dec, 2009 8:16 pm

Reginal Perrin wrote: simonm wrote: Cardiarms wrote: Conspiracy theory? Sorry, don't follow you. Sorry, that comment was aimed at Reggie, he seems to think I have an alternative agenda re Tesco's. OK conspiract theory is maybe the wrong phrase to use, apologies. I think there is though an unhealthy obsession some people have with the role of supermarkets. I also shop in the market and have often been stiffed with their "all this for a tenner" meat lark too and the poorer quality satsumas from the back of the pile trick. Supermarkets provide what people want, they replaced a poorer service, the market of the last 30 years does not lie. They haven't picked out pockets we have chosen to use them. You may not like it but you are free to shop elsewhere. (Coop for instance)They provide vast amounts of second jobs to families which was just not the case in the old high street. Why protect one buthcer asnd his assistant over 15 part time mums who work at Morrisons? I repeat that if the quality was so poor then customers would vote with their feet, they don't. If the quality is so much better at smaller butchers then they will survive, simple as that. I was in Leeds market this morning. There still a great variety of goods on sale and the price of the meat is very competitive. There isn't much you can't buy in Leeds market.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Fri 04 Dec, 2009 9:40 am

Regie, I never said they didn't provide a service and that others shouldn't use it. My point is that there are entire areas laid bare cos of their constant push to provide the "biggest, best and cheapest! You think thats ok?I prefer to buy my produce from outlets that know how to treat it properly. Ravey has already mentioned the difference between chickens etc. Yes of course you can get stuffed by a butcher selling cheap meat on the market, but have you never been shafted by the supermarket selling "steak" that is akin to a doc Martin? I know I have!!! Of course they provide an alternative to those too busy to be able to shop at a reasonable hour and yes I do use them for all the sundry's, just NOT fresh meat and veg, which I know I find better quality AND cheaper on the market OR localy.I'd rather support my local shops, keeping the community alive than help kill it totally via an impersonal conglomorate that cares sod all about you, just profits! Tesco's, Asda and the like don't give a [edited for content] that you use their store. minimal quality, maximum profits.

liits · Post by **liits** » Fri 04 Dec, 2009 10:21 am

I’d love to support my local shops but as I want to buy neither a house [7 estate agents], mobile phone [5 different shops], frothy coffee [6 different shops], fancy frock [loads of shops] or lotions & potions [4 different shops], it’s Tesco for me – and it must be the smallest Tesco outside of Lilliput! [and we’re down to two pubs and one of them is borderline]Around here it wasn’t the supermarkets that drove the shops out, it was the business rates and the lack of anywhere to park.Our local council – Camden, have a campaign running which involves plastering empty shops with “Camden. Love your local High Street” branding. Some wag went to great expense and trouble to amend them all to “Scamden. Shove your local High Street”.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Fri 04 Dec, 2009 1:15 pm

Too true Liits, to many councils have allowed the creeping in of smaller "direct" shops fro mthe supermarket chains ot infiltrate the high street. Also, as in Armley, the people that own the shops ( the landlords ) don't give a toss, except for as much profit as possible. Hence the closing dowen of lots of quality loccal traders., thus allowing the influx of phone shops, take aways, charity shops and the like. Armley Town St, now has only 1 butcher left, 1 green grocer. Yet, SIX charity shops, TEN takeaways.

biggee99 · Post by **biggee99** » Fri 04 Dec, 2009 2:41 pm

Has any one seen the tesco at swilington how they got planning i don't know, well i do know they fill the packets of the planners. Always said its not what you know its who you know. three things?Greed corruption control this hits the nail on the head........

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 1:50 pm

biggee99 wrote: Has any one seen the tesco at swilington how they got planning i don't know, well i do know they fill the packets of the planners. Always said its not what you know its who you know. three things?Greed corruption control this hits the nail on the head........ I agree with that and how let down must the Londis guy feel. All that investment and for what? To be shafted by the planners.On the smaller shops point. My point is that is they are of sufficient quality then they will survive as enough people will use them and they will be able to charge a premium is the differential in quality is there.Re shopping in Leeds market, how much does it cost to park a car near the market? How much are bus fares? How many mums would make that Saturday morning trip these days? The council obviously don't want people to shop in town as the cost is prohibitive before you even start talking about the rents for the market.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 3:16 pm

Over the road at the Playhouse, £1.80 one hour, £2 two hours, £3.80 5 hours. The council has ramped these prices up, doubling them in the last five years. I think the multistorey right next door is 80p for 40 mins, could be wrong.One comparison this week: 1lb chestnuts at the market, 70p. 1lb chestnuts at Morrisons, £1.50.Plenty of mums seem to be capable of getting into Leeds on a Saturday, the car parks are full and the buses seem well used.

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 3:19 pm

Reginal Perrin wrote: Re shopping in Leeds market, how much does it cost to park a car near the market? How much are bus fares? How many mums would make that Saturday morning trip these days? The council obviously don't want people to shop in town as the cost is prohibitive before you even start talking about the rents for the market. Well if you're over 60 like me nothing, zilch, nada. that's why I do it

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 3:49 pm

Cardiarms wrote: Over the road at the Playhouse, £1.80 one hour, £2 two hours, £3.80 5 hours. The council has ramped these prices up, doubling them in the last five years. I think the multistorey right next door is 80p for 40 mins, could be wrong.One comparison this week: 1lb chestnuts at the market, 70p. 1lb chestnuts at Morrisons, £1.50.Plenty of mums seem to be capable of getting into Leeds on a Saturday, the car parks are full and the buses seem well used. OK. So in addition to doing the main week's shop at a supermarket you expect a (usually) working mum to take themselves into town and buy some chestnuts and some chops? What price are you putting on a busy young woman's time? Hardly anythign by the sound of it. If i suggested to my wife she take herself into town to spend out £100 a week becaus eI'd prefer she did that to keept he market traders in business the answer would be short and not so sweet. As you can't really take a trolley round town the market you are limited to what you can carry as well. Just admit it Cardi, you may like it but for the vast majority it's not practical and they prefer the supermarket at which you can push your trolley round, push it to your car and drive home, hence the success of the supermarkets and the relative demise of the alternatives. Plus aside from butcher's and game/fish row there is a lot of rubbish in the market, foul looking takeaways, bad cafe's, nasty rug shops, sub-Fulton's freezer shops, bent can shops, 15 mobile phone shops.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 4:00 pm

Shopping still cheaper AND better quality in Leeds market to that of any of the big 5! Fact. You seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet Reggie. You don't happen to work for or have shares in said "supermarket Giant" do you? Each to their own