Dialect/slang

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Mon 23 Nov, 2009 10:09 pm

'Arry 'Awk wrote: stutterdog wrote: 'Arry 'Awk wrote: stutterdog wrote: Trojan wrote: Briggy wrote: Hi everyone. Just discovered this jewel of a site and love it!Dialect favourite word of all for which I think there is no standard English equivalent - 'to thoil' i.e. to be able to afford something, but not be able to justify the expense.Don't know if this has already been mentioned previously but the Yorkshire Dialect Society do a fantastic and very readable dictionary of Yorkshire Dialect for anyone who wants to read more about it.http://www.ydsociety.org.uk/id4.html I believe "thoil" is a Yorkshire version of the Scottish word "thole" which is can be defined here:http://www.scots-online.org/dictionary/index.htmThole is to thoil as 'ole is to 'oil. Hows this for a dialect poem taught to me by my dear Mother in 1950.Here we go! Thar Bob owes ar Bob a bob!And if thar Bob dunt giv ar Bob that bob that thar Bob owes ar Bob, Ar Bob'll give thar Bob a bob on't nose! Whew! Hi ther 'arry! I wonder if you were brought up in Burmantofts re the 'ar bob thar bob poem. My mum was. But I was an Armley lad and no friends when I was young had heard of it! St.dogHi S.D. I'm sure I did that 'Ar Bob' and 'Yar Bob' saying before!I've searched through all the postings on this thread tillme eyes are falling out but it may have been on another thread! Never mind it's worth a re-run! My dadsaid it to me whenI was about 5 yrs old, accompanied bya 'soft' bob on my nose!I read a library book a month or so back by Alan Titchmarsh,called 'Nobbut a Lad.' It's based around Ilkley but I knowmost of the dialect and sayings he quotes.Well worth a 'read' if you can tear yourself away fromSecret Leeds! Sorry S.D All I saw of Burmantofts was from the tramgoing from Kirkstall Rd up tp Roundhay (Roundy!) Park!Born in St Mary's Maternity Hospital and we livedin Devonshire St. Armley Rd 1930! Opposite the White Horsepub.Didn't see that quotation in Alan Titchmarsh's bookCan't quote anything now as it was a library bookand it went back in August!Hello 'arry, did you live at the bottom of Armley Rd near that White Horse?

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Mon 23 Nov, 2009 11:44 pm

"scraps" in Wakefield as well and when I lived in York in the 1980's it was the same there so it is spread over a wide area of Yorkshire. I heard fish and f'nerks as a name for fish and chips in York as well as "one of each" for fish and chips which threw me the first time I heard it as i thought the bloke must be greedy ordering everything on the menu!Incidentally whilst clerking in Doncaster lately,I noticed that it is always cod there not haddock as in most of Yorkshire.suits me as I prefer it b, but it just seems to be the Doncaster area where this is the normal thing.

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Mon 23 Nov, 2009 11:54 pm

Trojan wrote: Nothing they do in Gateshead surprises me. I once asked for a ham sandwich in a shop and the woman behind the counter said did I want pease puddin on it! What's wrong with that? Ham and pease pudding is a favourite 'bait' [snap]. Here they have it next to the cold meats in the supermarket. Any road up, I'm sure I've mentioned this on here before but what some enterprising person should set up is a website listing fish and chip shops throughout the UK that use proper beef dripping.

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Tue 24 Nov, 2009 12:45 am

Steve Jones wrote: Incidentally whilst clerking in Doncaster lately,I noticed that it is always cod there not haddock as in most of Yorkshire.suits me as I prefer it b, but it just seems to be the Doncaster area where this is the normal thing. South Yorkshhire generally I think. Also Cas.

weenie · Post by **weenie** » Tue 24 Nov, 2009 1:19 am

when i lived in Scarborough i couldnt get the hang of ordering a 'fishcake' they call them 'fish patties' if i ordered a cake i got the frozen things with green bits in urghhh. but then i moved back ere and sometimes i still go to saying patties and they look at me daft

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Tue 24 Nov, 2009 10:56 am

weenie wrote: when i lived in Scarborough i couldnt get the hang of ordering a 'fishcake' they call them 'fish patties' if i ordered a cake i got the frozen things with green bits in urghhh. but then i moved back ere and sometimes i still go to saying patties and they look at me daft I noticed that too in Hull, but I also think they call what we call a fishcake, a fish sandwich.

Arry Awk · Post by **Arry Awk** » Tue 24 Nov, 2009 4:04 pm

Anyone here remember the mid thirties?I seem to recall a couple of silly songs that peoplesang (Locally,I think).The first,relating to Prince Edward,Heir to the thronewho 'paired up' with Mrs. Wallis Simpson,a divorcee fromthe USofA.The skit went as follows;'Who's this walking down the Street?Mrs. Simpson's sweaty feet.She's been married twice beforenow she's knockin' on Teddie's door'Teddy was forced to abdicate as we couldn'thave a divorced woman as Consort!Another parody referring to The ItalianCampaign against Haille Selassie's subjects'Will ya come to Abyssinia,will ya come?Ya'll be goin' with a bullet up yer bmMussolini will be there firing peanuts in the air,Will ya come to Abyssinia will ya come!'Fraid old Musso and his Fascisti didn't just usepeanuts against the native population.only mustard gas.

Arry Awk · Post by **Arry Awk** » Tue 24 Nov, 2009 4:34 pm

[quotenick="stutterdog"] 'Arry 'Awk wrote: stutterdog wrote: 'Arry 'Awk wrote: stutterdog wrote: Trojan wrote: Briggy wrote: Hi everyone. Just discovered this jewel of a site and love it!Dialect favourite word of all for which I think there is no standard English equivalent - 'to thoil' i.e. to be able to afford something, but not be able to justify the expense.Don't know if this has already been mentioned previously but the Yorkshire Dialect Society do a fantastic and very readable dictionary of Yorkshire Dialect for anyone who wants to read more about it.http://www.ydsociety.org.uk/id4.html I believe "thoil" is a Yorkshire version of the Scottish word "thole" which is can be defined here:http://www.scots-online.org/dictionary/index.htmThole is to thoil as 'ole is to 'oil. Hows this for a dialect poem taught to me by my dear Mother in 1950.Here we go! Thar Bob owes ar Bob a bob!And if thar Bob dunt giv ar Bob that bob that thar Bob owes ar Bob, Ar Bob'll give thar Bob a bob on't nose! Whew! Hi ther 'arry! I wonder if you were brought up in Burmantofts re the 'ar bob thar bob poem. My mum was. But I was an Armley lad and no friends when I was young had heard of it! St.dogHi S.D. I'm sure I did that 'Ar Bob' and 'Yar Bob' saying before!I've searched through all the postings on this thread tillme eyes are falling out but it may have been on another thread! Never mind it's worth a re-run! My dadsaid it to me whenI was about 5 yrs old, accompanied bya 'soft' bob on my nose!I read a library book a month or so back by Alan Titchmarsh,called 'Nobbut a Lad.' It's based around Ilkley but I knowmost of the dialect and sayings he quotes.Well worth a 'read' if you can tear yourself away fromSecret Leeds! Sorry S.D All I saw of Burmantofts was from the tramgoing from Kirkstall Rd up tp Roundhay (Roundy!) Park!Born in St Mary's Maternity Hospital and we livedin Devonshire St. Armley Rd 1930! Opposite the White Horsepub.Didn't see that quotation in Alan Titchmarsh's bookCan't quote anything now as it was a library bookand it went back in August!Hello 'arry, did you live at the bottom of Armley Rd near that White Horse? [/quoteThat's right! I lived there from age 'Nowt' in 1930until 1933 (Age 3!)Dad got on the GPO as a temporaryPostman and we had to move to Collingham for his probationaryperiod. It wasn't a Yuppie annexe in those days,just a lovelyold village.Dad was made regular postman in '35 and we moved back to Leeds,Much to Mum's disgust! She loved the country,but had to move backto Armley Road! (Bushire street which was about 5 streets higher than Devonshire St) Still handy for Dadand the White 'oss!

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Tue 24 Nov, 2009 5:32 pm

'Arry 'Awk wrote: Anyone here remember the mid thirties?I seem to recall a couple of silly songs that peoplesang (Locally,I think).The first,relating to Prince Edward,Heir to the thronewho 'paired up' with Mrs. Wallis Simpson,a divorcee fromthe USofA.The skit went as follows;'Who's this walking down the Street?Mrs. Simpson's sweaty feet.She's been married twice beforenow she's knockin' on Teddie's door'Teddy was forced to abdicate as we couldn'thave a divorced woman as Consort!Another parody referring to The ItalianCampaign against Haille Selassie's subjects'Will ya come to Abyssinia,will ya come?Ya'll be goin' with a bullet up yer bmMussolini will be there firing peanuts in the air,Will ya come to Abyssinia will ya come!'Fraid old Musso and his Fascisti didn't just usepeanuts against the native population.only mustard gas. I'm not as old as you - no one's as old as you! But I believe it all happened around this time of year and kids in churches and chapels began singing:Hark the Herald Angels singMrs Simpson's got the king.Perhaps as a former member of the Boys Brigade you'll be able to deny or confirm this?

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Tue 24 Nov, 2009 5:47 pm

[quotenick="'Arry 'Awk"] stutterdog wrote: 'Arry 'Awk wrote: stutterdog wrote: 'Arry 'Awk wrote: stutterdog wrote: Trojan wrote: Briggy wrote: Hi everyone. Just discovered this jewel of a site and love it!Dialect favourite word of all for which I think there is no standard English equivalent - 'to thoil' i.e. to be able to afford something, but not be able to justify the expense.Don't know if this has already been mentioned previously but the Yorkshire Dialect Society do a fantastic and very readable dictionary of Yorkshire Dialect for anyone who wants to read more about it.http://www.ydsociety.org.uk/id4.html I believe "thoil" is a Yorkshire version of the Scottish word "thole" which is can be defined here:http://www.scots-online.org/dictionary/index.htmThole is to thoil as 'ole is to 'oil. Hows this for a dialect poem taught to me by my dear Mother in 1950.Here we go! Thar Bob owes ar Bob a bob!And if thar Bob dunt giv ar Bob that bob that thar Bob owes ar Bob, Ar Bob'll give thar Bob a bob on't nose! Whew! Hi ther 'arry! I wonder if you were brought up in Burmantofts re the 'ar bob thar bob poem. My mum was. But I was an Armley lad and no friends when I was young had heard of it! St.dogHi S.D. I'm sure I did that 'Ar Bob' and 'Yar Bob' saying before!I've searched through all the postings on this thread tillme eyes are falling out but it may have been on another thread! Never mind it's worth a re-run! My dadsaid it to me whenI was about 5 yrs old, accompanied bya 'soft' bob on my nose!I read a library book a month or so back by Alan Titchmarsh,called 'Nobbut a Lad.' It's based around Ilkley but I knowmost of the dialect and sayings he quotes.Well worth a 'read' if you can tear yourself away fromSecret Leeds! Sorry S.D All I saw of Burmantofts was from the tramgoing from Kirkstall Rd up tp Roundhay (Roundy!) Park!Born in St Mary's Maternity Hospital and we livedin Devonshire St. Armley Rd 1930! Opposite the White Horsepub.Didn't see that quotation in Alan Titchmarsh's bookCan't quote anything now as it was a library bookand it went back in August!Hello 'arry, did you live at the bottom of Armley Rd near that White Horse? [/quoteThat's right! I lived there from age 'Nowt' in 1930until 1933 (Age 3!)Dad got on the GPO as a temporaryPostman and we had to move to Collingham for his probationaryperiod. It wasn't a Yuppie annexe in those days,just a lovelyold village.Dad was made regular postman in '35 and we moved back to Leeds,Much to Mum's disgust! She loved the country,but had to move backto Armley Road! (Bushire street which was about 5 streets higher than Devonshire St) Still handy for Dadand the White 'oss! You must have gone to Castleton school then 'arry, that being the nearest? Can you remember a family called Wood who lived down that way?My Dad liked the White 'oss and the Albion, he wouldn't drink owt but Tetley's bitter!