Leeds lost pubs

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Sat 24 Oct, 2009 3:13 pm

chameleon wrote: stutterdog wrote: Brandy wrote: Pubs are getting rather sparse round here(gipton) we didnt have that many to start with, But what with the shafs and the starfighter gone,then couple that with the courtier and the oakwood and the city lights that only leaves the fairway and after the $hit that was going down there with the drugs i didnt think it would bounce back! O n what, would anyone on this thread ascribe the demise of so may of our locals over the last 5-10 years? My personal view is that people's lifestyles have changed a lot ie. more people own their own homes and have mortgages.The smoking ban. The high cost of a pint of beer in a pub these days.Oh! I nearly forgot! The supermarkets selling beer a very low cost! Anyone think of other reasons? I think the one thing is being overlooked. If people do not patronise a particular shop, recreational venue or anything else, why is it/The answer is that they, the people, don't feel it is what they want or where they want to be. Isn't it the case then perhaps that the present/up and coming generation simply don't relate to the traditional establishments that the generation above them grew up with and accepted as 'the place to be?Cheap alcohol can be a factor but a minimal one - take a look at the ernormous number of bars of the newer style in town, more than you can count and onevery street, well supported, making good profit and more than surviving.Isn't it just 'change' which is primarily responsible - and our reluctance to acknowledge this - which is the root? I think you have hit the nail right on the head Chamelion! I I used a certain pub in Farsley some years ago now,.I would go in twice a week, It was as much as I could afford.The craik in the taproom on a Fri. night was brilliant! everybody was friendly.Then ,a pool table was introduced ,the old landlord left and a different clientel started to use the pub. Tetleys bitter seemed not to taste so nice there, So me and my mates changed pubs.I no longer felt happy being there.

Chrism · Post by **Chrism** » Sat 24 Oct, 2009 3:48 pm

Brandy wrote: Pubs are getting rather sparse round here(gipton) we didnt have that many to start with, But what with the shafs and the starfighter gone,then couple that with the courtier and the oakwood and the city lights that only leaves the fairway and after the $hit that was going down there with the drugs i didnt think it would bounce back! I've been having a very good think and I can not think of one pub in Chapletown. Is this the only district of Leeds with NO pubs?

johnnyg · Post by **johnnyg** » Sat 24 Oct, 2009 4:58 pm

Chrism said:"I've been having a very good think and I can not think of one pub in Chapletown. Is this the only district of Leeds with NO pubs?"Wikipedia identifies Chapeltown as: "According to one source this wider definition is in "the LS7 postal region, and can be mapped through four points; where Scott Hall Lane runs to north to where it intersects with Potternewton Lane, where Harehills Lane runs east and intersects with Avenue Hill, where Spencer Place runs south and intersects with Roundhay Road, to the very bottom and beginning of Chapeltown Road." This follows the LS7 postcode boundary "on the East, with LS8 being Harehills. However, Roundhay Road could also be considered the boundary between them. Harehills is adjacent, and the areas are commonly considered together."The closest places to a pub I can think of within those boundaries would be what used to be the Scott Hall Club on Savile Drive, now a private club and the Polish Club on Chapeltown Road.Within those boundaries the following pubs have gone in the last few years: Shoulder of Mutton, Skinners Arms, The Hayfield, possibly The FForde GreneSlightly longer gone pubs/clubs include: The Scott Hall, Milan's Club, The Sheepscar, Price of Wales, The Roscoe, 148 Club.

Brandy · Post by **Brandy** » Sat 24 Oct, 2009 9:06 pm

You forgot the gaiety lol. and whatever those two geezers in the picture are up to is nobody's business lol

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Sun 25 Oct, 2009 6:19 pm

Talk about an emotional seesaw for the regulars and locals - I've just driven past the Rising Sun on Kirkstall Road and its freshly boarded up - by the looks of it good and proper this time.

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Sun 25 Oct, 2009 11:19 pm

Haven't been in lately but a bastion of Real Ale and Tetleys in Morley "The Stump Cross" is apparently struggling.

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Mon 26 Oct, 2009 12:02 am

Trojan wrote: Haven't been in lately but a bastion of Real Ale and Tetleys in Morley "The Stump Cross" is apparently struggling. Those of us drivers not too familiar with route 55 from Leeds to Bruntcliffe used to look out for the Stump Cross so as to know where to turn off the A 650 - all seems a very long time ago and pubs rarely seemed to struggle then.

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Mon 26 Oct, 2009 10:50 am

BLAKEY wrote: Trojan wrote: Haven't been in lately but a bastion of Real Ale and Tetleys in Morley "The Stump Cross" is apparently struggling. Those of us drivers not too familiar with route 55 from Leeds to Bruntcliffe used to look out for the Stump Cross so as to know where to turn off the A 650 - all seems a very long time ago and pubs rarely seemed to struggle then. Morley LCT stops named after Inns were:55: Angel Inn, Bruntcliffe, Stump Cross Inn, Britannia Road, Hembrig Inn (Morley Dashers) High Street, Gardeners Arms, Wide Lane.52/53: New Inn (Bottom 'oil) Commercial Inn (Top 'oil) Prospect Inn/Nelson Inn, Victoria Road, Fountain Inn corner Fountain Street and Queen Street for the 52 plus Sycamore Inn, High Street for the 53.The 52 went to Cross Hall via Fountain Street, and then back to Meanwood via Britannia Road, Tngley Bar and Bridge Street: the 53 went to Tingley Bar via High Street and Bridge Street, and then back to Meanwood via Cross Hall and Fountain Street.

Doubledave · Post by **Doubledave** » Mon 26 Oct, 2009 11:19 am

stutterdog wrote: Brandy wrote: Pubs are getting rather sparse round here(gipton) we didnt have that many to start with, But what with the shafs and the starfighter gone,then couple that with the courtier and the oakwood and the city lights that only leaves the fairway and after the $hit that was going down there with the drugs i didnt think it would bounce back! O n what, would anyone on this thread ascribe the demise of so may of our locals over the last 5-10 years? My personal view is that people's lifestyles have changed a lot ie. more people own their own homes and have mortgages.The smoking ban. The high cost of a pint of beer in a pub these days.Oh! I nearly forgot! The supermarkets selling beer a very low cost! Anyone think of other reasons? I think the rot set in about 15 years ago, when the then government took most of the pubs out of the hands of the breweries, (who had an interest in selling beer) and put them in the hands of the greedy pub companies, whose only interest is selling properties.

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Mon 26 Oct, 2009 12:53 pm

Doubledave wrote: I think the rot set in about 15 years ago, when the then government took most of the pubs out of the hands of the breweries, (who had an interest in selling beer) and put them in the hands of the greedy pub companies, whose only interest is selling properties. I think you may be right there, however, I would date it a little earlier - early nineties. In those days I worked in Southwell in Notts and the tennants of the pub up the (a busy pub) were struggling to make it pay because of changes in their tennancy.There was a parliamentary investigation into the pubs and the brewer's tie in the late eighties and the current mess was the result. Having said that it was generally thought at the time that the tie was bad for the pub business because it restricted what could and could not be sold in a particular pub. The rise of so many micro breweries is the result, because they can get their beers in as "guest ales"It's hard to say what the answer is. The huge pub estates were built up by brewers supplying independent publicans with beer on credit with the freehold of the pub as collateral. When the landlord defaulted the brewer took the property.The rampant brewery takeovers in the sixties were based not on beer and quality of beer, but on brewers trying to acquire larger and larger pub estates. Some of the larger brewers ended up being owned by property development companies. When the government restricted which brewers could and could not own large estates, the estates were rationalised and converted to "pub companies" IMO the present mess has grown out of this. (plus other aggravating factors such as the recession)