Leeds lost pubs

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 1:22 pm

I don't think I have noticed any in England but have seen them about in Scotland and are widespread in Northern Ireland are signs that notify you that drinking alcohol in this public area can lead to a fine of up to £500. There is presumably a clearly defined line around pubs which indicate where you can drink and where the public area begins. The Scabby Taps has a makeshift fence around its "beer garden" which is rally just part of the pavement.I assume the sign in Otley is to make this clear. However I doubt if moving the area the trouble makers were drinking a few yards would have had much effect on stopping them making trouble.

Si · Post by Si » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 1:45 pm

tyke bhoy wrote: I don't think I have noticed any in England but have seen them about in Scotland and are widespread in Northern Ireland are signs that notify you that drinking alcohol in this public area can lead to a fine of up to £500. There is presumably a clearly defined line around pubs which indicate where you can drink and where the public area begins. The Scabby Taps has a makeshift fence around its "beer garden" which is rally just part of the pavement.I assume the sign in Otley is to make this clear. However I doubt if moving the area the trouble makers were drinking a few yards would have had much effect on stopping them making trouble. It is fairly obvious what is pub owned, and what is pavement outside The Yeoman, but there are no "official" markings. The sign could be referring to either area? However, the spot of bother took place in their private car park, round the back.

Si · Post by Si » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 1:47 pm

stutterdog wrote: Steve Jones wrote: It is the legendary "The Bowling Green" that Wetherspoons are doing up.Work due to start for opening next month.Incidentally whilst standing outside "The Woolpack" waiting for a friend ,a young couple were taking careful note of the pub,telephone number of the agents and walked past me dicussing staffing,so fingers crossed! My neighbour told me the other day that he had a few pints in the Woolpack in Otley?Coud he be mistaken? Must be. It's definately shut. The Ring O'Bells nearby is open, and I think there are other Woolpacks in the vicinity.

Chrism · Post by **Chrism** » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 2:07 pm

Si wrote: tyke bhoy wrote: I don't think I have noticed any in England but have seen them about in Scotland and are widespread in Northern Ireland are signs that notify you that drinking alcohol in this public area can lead to a fine of up to £500. There is presumably a clearly defined line around pubs which indicate where you can drink and where the public area begins. The Scabby Taps has a makeshift fence around its "beer garden" which is rally just part of the pavement.I assume the sign in Otley is to make this clear. However I doubt if moving the area the trouble makers were drinking a few yards would have had much effect on stopping them making trouble. It is fairly obvious what is pub owned, and what is pavement outside The Yeoman, but there are no "official" markings. The sign could be referring to either area? However, the spot of bother took place in their private car park, round the back. I was in The Ship (Briggate) a while ago, we got our beer and went to stand outside in the yard and were told that we had to drink inside as the yard/passage was council owned.

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 3:37 pm

Si wrote: stutterdog wrote: Steve Jones wrote: It is the legendary "The Bowling Green" that Wetherspoons are doing up.Work due to start for opening next month.Incidentally whilst standing outside "The Woolpack" waiting for a friend ,a young couple were taking careful note of the pub,telephone number of the agents and walked past me dicussing staffing,so fingers crossed! My neighbour told me the other day that he had a few pints in the Woolpack in Otley?Coud he be mistaken? Must be. It's definately shut. The Ring O'Bells nearby is open, and I think there are other Woolpacks in the vicinity. He told me it was the Woolpack near Chevin Cycles?

simong · Post by **simong** » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 6:14 pm

tyke bhoy wrote: I don't think I have noticed any in England but have seen them about in Scotland and are widespread in Northern Ireland are signs that notify you that drinking alcohol in this public area can lead to a fine of up to £500. There is presumably a clearly defined line around pubs which indicate where you can drink and where the public area begins. The Scabby Taps has a makeshift fence around its "beer garden" which is rally just part of the pavement. I think it's under trial in some places in England at the moment, and has been for a few years. Coventry city centre springs to mind for some reason. I also think that the police or council can request no drinking areas under the current Public Order Act as well. I seem to recall that one of the problems that these orders have brought about is an increase in 'brown bagging' with people carrying booze in paper bags as in the US.

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 6:29 pm

I suspect the Public Place sign will be there so that when an order banning the drinking/carrying of alcohol in a designated area is obtained,people won't be able to say they didn't know.I don't know whether one is already in force for Otley?

liits · Post by **liits** » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 8:08 pm

simong wrote: tyke bhoy wrote: I don't think I have noticed any in England but have seen them about in Scotland and are widespread in Northern Ireland are signs that notify you that drinking alcohol in this public area can lead to a fine of up to £500. There is presumably a clearly defined line around pubs which indicate where you can drink and where the public area begins. The Scabby Taps has a makeshift fence around its "beer garden" which is rally just part of the pavement. I think it's under trial in some places in England at the moment, and has been for a few years. Coventry city centre springs to mind for some reason. I also think that the police or council can request no drinking areas under the current Public Order Act as well. I seem to recall that one of the problems that these orders have brought about is an increase in 'brown bagging' with people carrying booze in paper bags as in the US. We have a Controlled Drinking Zone which is primarily aimed at street drinkers [the p**s artists formerly known as tramps] but some of the pubs in Camden town have occasionally had the police turn up and either make the punters go back into the pub or, for those that refused, take their drinks from them. The Police seem to be quite even handed in their dealings with this but the Council, as per usual, are the one that over enforce the issue. I was threatened with allowing my punters to obstruct the highway, encouraging them to drop litter [they weren’t using the ashtrays provided] my premises generating an undue amount of noise and several other sundry bits of non-legislation.It seems that the next move is to prevent “single unit” sales i.e. retailers [corner shops] selling just one can of something. How that is going to be enforced, with most of the street drinkers quaffing two litre bottles of Ace, will be interesting to see.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Tue 29 Sep, 2009 12:46 pm

Walked past the Albion (Armley Rd) t'other day and it appears it's days are up! Having scanned the interior, through the metal sheeting, everything has gone. All wall fittings, all non permanant furniture. Looks very bleak in there. Looks very much like the death throes of a once great pub.Fingers crossed it's only a temp, but I felt it might well be the end!

Si · Post by Si » Tue 29 Sep, 2009 4:14 pm

stutterdog wrote: Si wrote: stutterdog wrote: Steve Jones wrote: It is the legendary "The Bowling Green" that Wetherspoons are doing up.Work due to start for opening next month.Incidentally whilst standing outside "The Woolpack" waiting for a friend ,a young couple were taking careful note of the pub,telephone number of the agents and walked past me dicussing staffing,so fingers crossed! My neighbour told me the other day that he had a few pints in the Woolpack in Otley?Coud he be mistaken? Must be. It's definately shut. The Ring O'Bells nearby is open, and I think there are other Woolpacks in the vicinity. He told me it was the Woolpack near Chevin Cycles? The nearest pub to Chevin Cycles is The Junction, just across the road. If that boozer closes, we are in deep trouble...