NGT Report

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Mon 18 May, 2009 3:54 pm

There is a report, out today i think that collates the public consultaion onthe NGT proposals.I've not read it as yet but here it is.http://www.ngtmetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/D7 ... arch09.pdf

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 18 May, 2009 7:39 pm

1800 respondents is a very small number for a city the size of Leeds which leaves it hard to believe that the results are truly representative of the population at large. I wonder why it was so small and what persuaded the few who did partake to do so?At the very least they surely this survey must be viewed as being statistically unreliable. Let's hope that this doubtless very expensive exercise plays a proportionately small part in any decision making!

Tasa · Post by **Tasa** » Mon 18 May, 2009 11:47 pm

Yes, it's an extremely small sample. I also Googled "Transport for Leeds" as mentioned in Terry Ashby's documentary on another current thread on this forum:http://www.secretleeds.co.uk/forum/Mess ... =1608Their project seems to replicate what the NGT surveys have been doing:http://www.transportforleeds.com/Whatnext/stages.htmIt appears that the next part of the "public consultation" in June mentioned by the Transport for Leeds representative in Terry's film (no disrespect to Terry whatsoever, he was interviewing the representative so my comment is about the consultation itself) involves interviewing lorry/car drivers entering Leeds at the boundaries to seek their views on what could decrease congestion.Hmmm.... can't imagine what the solution is - fewer lorry/car drivers and a better public transport system, maybe?

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 18 May, 2009 11:59 pm

Tasa wrote: Yes, it's an extremely small sample. I also Googled "Transport for Leeds" as mentioned in Terry Ashby's documentary on another current thread on this forum:http://www.secretleeds.co.uk/forum/Mess ... =1608Their project seems to replicate what the NGT surveys have been doing:http://www.transportforleeds.com/Whatnext/stages.htmIt appears that the next part of the "public consultation" in June mentioned by the Transport for Leeds representative in Terry's film (no disrespect to Terry whatsoever, he was interviewing the representative so my comment is about the consultation itself) involves interviewing lorry/car drivers entering Leeds at the boundaries to seek their views on what could decrease congestion.Hmmm.... can't imagine what the solution is - fewer lorry/car drivers and a better public transport system, maybe? More rush hour surveys then - like the one at the bottom of Roundhay Road last week with traffic backing up almost to Harehills Road at one time. Congestion hmm. And all within a week of First Bus announcing a rationalisation of services, that of course translating into service cuts, most likely the ones which they feel are underused and therefore loose money. Underused is not the same as not used - if public transport is to be credible it must surely be fully available. To provide this public service at times and on routes where fewer people patronise them will thus entail a subsidy, either from the public purse or higher fares on other routes. Not very likely to be tollerted is it? Whilst ever Public Transprot continues to be ruled by profit, I can't see the truly 'Public amenity' element coming into play which thus defeats many attempt to persuade to change their habbits - what use is a system which doesn't provide what you as an individual need?

dogduke · Post by **dogduke** » Tue 19 May, 2009 12:41 am

chameleon wrote: 1800 respondents is a very small number for a city the size of Leeds which leaves it hard to believe that the results are truly representative of the population at large. I wonder why it was so small and what persuaded the few who did partake to do so?At the very least they surely this survey must be viewed as being statistically unreliable. Let's hope that this doubtless very expensive exercise plays a proportionately small part in any decision making! 1800 is indeed a very small number on which to base any researchor forward planning.My first thoughts on NGT as a thread title wereNational Greyhound Trust-is this the transport of the future??I try to keep informed on lots of things but have never heard of this project

Post by **chameleon** » Tue 19 May, 2009 8:54 am

dogduke wrote: chameleon wrote: 1800 respondents is a very small number for a city the size of Leeds which leaves it hard to believe that the results are truly representative of the population at large. I wonder why it was so small and what persuaded the few who did partake to do so?At the very least they surely this survey must be viewed as being statistically unreliable. Let's hope that this doubtless very expensive exercise plays a proportionately small part in any decision making! 1800 is indeed a very small number on which to base any researchor forward planning.My first thoughts on NGT as a thread title wereNational Greyhound Trust-is this the transport of the future??I try to keep informed on lots of things but have never heard of this project Nor many others - a public consultation which didn't reach the public perhaps. Quite often these things are more brought to the people when an answer is wanted rather than the peoplle having to find it - I don't think that happened here very well.

Tasa · Post by **Tasa** » Tue 19 May, 2009 9:22 am

My bus was stuck for five minutes on Moorland Road (near the Uni) this morning at 7.30am because of the traffic survey - a time of day when there is normally hardly any traffic on that road!

Post by **chameleon** » Tue 19 May, 2009 9:48 am

Tasa wrote: My bus was stuck for five minutes on Moorland Road (near the Uni) this morning at 7.30am because of the traffic survey - a time of day when there is normally hardly any traffic on that road! Survey Results:'Road heavily congested at morning peak - create dedicated bus and HOV lanes and introduce more busses'

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Tue 19 May, 2009 10:21 am

I still cannot understand the concept of having a mass transport system that does not benefit the major council tax paying commuter suburbs. I was born in Hunslet and I love the place but it aint a major centre for medium to high earning homeowners who will foot this bill. Any system needs to service the areas that do not currently enjoy a train staion such as Rothwell (I'm sure there are others but the likes of Garforth, Morley, Cross Gates and Horsforth do have train stations already).

Post by **chameleon** » Tue 19 May, 2009 11:18 am

Reginal Perrin wrote: I still cannot understand the concept of having a mass transport system that does not benefit the major council tax paying commuter suburbs. I was born in Hunslet and I love the place but it aint a major centre for medium to high earning homeowners who will foot this bill. Any system needs to service the areas that do not currently enjoy a train staion such as Rothwell (I'm sure there are others but the likes of Garforth, Morley, Cross Gates and Horsforth do have train stations already). Get this one Regi - a senior Government Minister during a recent visit to Leeds implored the Council to concentrate public transport in 'Less affluent areas of the city where people are less likely to be able to afford a car' Laudible yes but, where did the Green Policy (reducing car travel) go to?