The Inns and Pubs of Kirkgate

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Sun 03 May, 2009 11:35 pm

Leodis pic from 28/10/1930. The building to left of hoarding(74 Kirkgate) is the former 'Old Crown' now a shop selling clogs. It was demolished some time after this photo was taken - demolished before march 1934.(I have seen a photo of that date that shows it to be gone)

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Sun 03 May, 2009 11:53 pm

Leodis pic of the Scotsman in 1992 shortly before closure.

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Sun 03 May, 2009 11:57 pm

Leodis again - this time from 1903 when the Scotsman was called 'Scotsman Stores' and was a Wine and spirit merchants with a bar (see scotsman entry on page 1 for more details)- The Vine on the Headrow started the same way. The shot is taken from Call Lane - overexposure means Kirkgate cannot be seen.

Brandy · Post by **Brandy** » Mon 04 May, 2009 12:20 am

hey Mr D its nice to see you back on the 'pubs of kirkgate' mission again

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 04 May, 2009 11:54 pm

Brandy wrote: hey Mr D its nice to see you back on the 'pubs of kirkgate' mission again Yeah thought it was quiet

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 05 May, 2009 12:48 am

Thanks for that - theres quite a bit of info on page 1 - especially for the Buck and the Grove Tavern. I have also found a Leodis pic (above) that shows a building at 2 Cross York Street / 46 Kirkgate on 15/09/1908 prior to its demolition. It had been a lodging house. I believe this may be the former Phoenix Tavern ( or part of it at least) which was at 46 Kirkgate.....

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 05 May, 2009 12:51 am

For comparison here again is the drawing of the Phoenix that was on page 1 At first glance you might think I'm mad - but look again an you'll see a lot of similarities. Bear in mind also that there may well be some artistic licence on the drawing.Look in particular at the quite grand door on cross York street - very impressive for a tatty lodging house! and why would you put such a good door abutting the Railway Bridge?? also look at the line below the first floor windows. This is without question the exact site of the Phoenix - and I cant' believe the Phoenix would be demolished and such a similar building put up in its place. I believe the building of the viaduct only resulted in PART of the Phoenix being demolished whilst this portion survived until 1908.

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 05 May, 2009 1:34 am

This leodis pic shows 126 to 135 Kirkgate in 1943 . I believe the old building in the centre (W.M.Jackson's and Brown's) may be the former Black Boy at 128/129 Kirkgate - but I'm still working on this theory.

Si · Post by Si » Wed 06 May, 2009 4:23 pm

drapesy wrote: For comparison here again is the drawing of the Phoenix that was on page 1 At first glance you might think I'm mad - but look again an you'll see a lot of similarities. Bear in mind also that there may well be some artistic licence on the drawing.Look in particular at the quite grand door on cross York street - very impressive for a tatty lodging house! and why would you put such a good door abutting the Railway Bridge?? also look at the line below the first floor windows. This is without question the exact site of the Phoenix - and I cant' believe the Phoenix would be demolished and such a similar building put up in its place. I believe the building of the viaduct only resulted in PART of the Phoenix being demolished whilst this portion survived until 1908. It's the same site, but are you sure it's the same building, Drapesy? It's either substantially rebuilt (the doors are in the same places) or the drawing shows a huge amount of artistic licence!

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Thu 07 May, 2009 1:04 am

Si wrote: drapesy wrote: For comparison here again is the drawing of the Phoenix that was on page 1 At first glance you might think I'm mad - but look again an you'll see a lot of similarities. Bear in mind also that there may well be some artistic licence on the drawing.Look in particular at the quite grand door on cross York street - very impressive for a tatty lodging house! and why would you put such a good door abutting the Railway Bridge?? also look at the line below the first floor windows. This is without question the exact site of the Phoenix - and I cant' believe the Phoenix would be demolished and such a similar building put up in its place. I believe the building of the viaduct only resulted in PART of the Phoenix being demolished whilst this portion survived until 1908. It's the same site, but are you sure it's the same building, Drapesy? It's either substantially rebuilt (the doors are in the same places) or the drawing shows a huge amount of artistic licence! I'm not 100 per cent - but its certainly my 'gut feeling.' I will try to find O.S. maps that might make it clearer. As you say the doors are in the same places - so are the first floor windows - and I can't believe its just coincidence.