Leeds United Service Crew

leesparky · Post by **leesparky** » Fri 21 Nov, 2008 10:00 pm

Reginal Perrin wrote: Hooliganism was nothing more than Mods n Rockers, no different and will be viewed as such by history, a further generation of British youth without a war to die in. They wanted a dust up, it really was not what it was made out to be in thre press. Bad news sells, Thatcher over-reacted as well. Yes it needed controlling and curtailing a bit but it was never really that serious. The fact that lots of ex-Service Crew (with kids of their own) agreed to donate money is a nice gesture and proof they are just normal blokes. Do people demonise ex-teddy boys? Skinheads? Not really, it was a social movement in which involved some low grade violence, it wasn't new then and isn't shocking now. Codswallop.Mods and rockers had [edited for content] elements too, that only wanted to fight. So did skins and Teds - however, they weren't all thugs. Just like all Leeds fans weren't/aren't thugs.I 'd read up about youth/subcultures bud.

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Fri 21 Nov, 2008 11:49 pm

wiggy wrote: AS AN EX-EMPLOYEE OF SAID FIRM,THIS IS MY KIND OF THREAD....WHEN YOUR GOOD,NO-ONE REMEMBERS,WHEN YOUR BAD NO-ONE FORGETS. When were you 'good' then Wiggy?

Si · Post by Si » Mon 24 Nov, 2008 9:04 am

Geordie-exile wrote: wiggy wrote: AS AN EX-EMPLOYEE OF SAID FIRM,THIS IS MY KIND OF THREAD....WHEN YOUR GOOD,NO-ONE REMEMBERS,WHEN YOUR BAD NO-ONE FORGETS. When were you 'good' then Wiggy? No-one remembers......

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Mon 24 Nov, 2008 11:56 am

wiggy wrote: AS AN EX-EMPLOYEE OF SAID FIRM,THIS IS MY KIND OF THREAD....WHEN YOUR GOOD,NO-ONE REMEMBERS,WHEN YOUR BAD NO-ONE FORGETS. Thug!!

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Tue 25 Nov, 2008 12:20 pm

leesparky wrote: Reginal Perrin wrote: Hooliganism was nothing more than Mods n Rockers, no different and will be viewed as such by history, a further generation of British youth without a war to die in. They wanted a dust up, it really was not what it was made out to be in thre press. Bad news sells, Thatcher over-reacted as well. Yes it needed controlling and curtailing a bit but it was never really that serious. The fact that lots of ex-Service Crew (with kids of their own) agreed to donate money is a nice gesture and proof they are just normal blokes. Do people demonise ex-teddy boys? Skinheads? Not really, it was a social movement in which involved some low grade violence, it wasn't new then and isn't shocking now. Codswallop.Mods and rockers had [edited for content] elements too, that only wanted to fight. So did skins and Teds - however, they weren't all thugs. Just like all Leeds fans weren't/aren't thugs.I 'd read up about youth/subcultures bud. Nothing I put disagrees with this. You should read posts more carefully before you start handing out unwanted advice mate. I never said that mod and rockers didn't have a violent element, in fact it was precicesly my point that they did and it was a minority much in the same was as football casuals. Quite how you got sufficiently riled by my post to respond in such a way is a mystery.

Post by **cnosni** » Wed 26 Nov, 2008 11:41 pm

Reginal Perrin wrote: leesparky wrote: Reginal Perrin wrote: Hooliganism was nothing more than Mods n Rockers, no different and will be viewed as such by history, a further generation of British youth without a war to die in. They wanted a dust up, it really was not what it was made out to be in thre press. Bad news sells, Thatcher over-reacted as well. Yes it needed controlling and curtailing a bit but it was never really that serious. The fact that lots of ex-Service Crew (with kids of their own) agreed to donate money is a nice gesture and proof they are just normal blokes. Do people demonise ex-teddy boys? Skinheads? Not really, it was a social movement in which involved some low grade violence, it wasn't new then and isn't shocking now. Codswallop.Mods and rockers had [edited for content] elements too, that only wanted to fight. So did skins and Teds - however, they weren't all thugs. Just like all Leeds fans weren't/aren't thugs.I 'd read up about youth/subcultures bud. Nothing I put disagrees with this. You should read posts more carefully before you start handing out unwanted advice mate. I never said that mod and rockers didn't have a violent element, in fact it was precicesly my point that they did and it was a minority much in the same was as football casuals. Quite how you got sufficiently riled by my post to respond in such a way is a mystery. Reggie,thats my understanding of your post.However i work with current/past members of the sevice crew,and im afraid that even though these men are in their 40s they still plan "confrontations".they are also members of right wing groups,and despite their supposed "Englishness"they have no grasp of English/British history and wish that Hitler had won WW2.Please dont ask me to substantiate my claims with evidence,you can shoot me down if you want but i know what still goes on,and it does.So any replies to this message saying "prove" my allegations will be met with no such evidence,as personal safety would be put at risk.I think my reputation is well known on here,and id like to think that this message will be judged on my reputation,be it good or bad.On a happy note,glad to see that the Wiggy is still alive

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Wed 26 Nov, 2008 11:50 pm

cnosni wrote: Reginal Perrin wrote: leesparky wrote: Reginal Perrin wrote: Hooliganism was nothing more than Mods n Rockers, no different and will be viewed as such by history, a further generation of British youth without a war to die in. They wanted a dust up, it really was not what it was made out to be in thre press. Bad news sells, Thatcher over-reacted as well. Yes it needed controlling and curtailing a bit but it was never really that serious. The fact that lots of ex-Service Crew (with kids of their own) agreed to donate money is a nice gesture and proof they are just normal blokes. Do people demonise ex-teddy boys? Skinheads? Not really, it was a social movement in which involved some low grade violence, it wasn't new then and isn't shocking now. Codswallop.Mods and rockers had [edited for content] elements too, that only wanted to fight. So did skins and Teds - however, they weren't all thugs. Just like all Leeds fans weren't/aren't thugs.I 'd read up about youth/subcultures bud. Nothing I put disagrees with this. You should read posts more carefully before you start handing out unwanted advice mate. I never said that mod and rockers didn't have a violent element, in fact it was precicesly my point that they did and it was a minority much in the same was as football casuals. Quite how you got sufficiently riled by my post to respond in such a way is a mystery. Reggie,thats my understanding of your post.However i work with current/past members of the sevice crew,and im afraid that even though these men are in their 40s they still plan "confrontations".they are also members of right wing groups,and despite their supposed "Englishness"they have no grasp of English/British history and wish that Hitler had won WW2.Please dont ask me to substantiate my claims with evidence,you can shoot me down if you want but i know what still goes on,and it does.So any replies to this message saying "prove" my allegations will be met with no such evidence,as personal safety would be put at risk.I think my reputation is well known on here,and id like to think that this message will be judged on my reputation,be it good or bad. That was my understanding of your post too Reggie. Don't know what the previous poster was on about.In regard to ignorance of history in general I was speaking to one of the chip on the shoulder belligerent type Scots not so long back. [I'm half Scots meself so no accusations of bias please!] He was spouting Braveheart style garbage and I mentioned kings of Scotland who were also kings of England. He flatly denied that Scotland had ever had a king. I mean, what can you do with that kind of ignorance? :meh:

Si · Post by Si » Thu 27 Nov, 2008 9:47 am

Didn't you know? James VI of Scotland/I of England never existed.It's all a conspiracy!

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Thu 27 Nov, 2008 10:17 am

You can't label all ex-service crew members far right, nazi sympathisers. No doubt there are some and they, like any such fool, deserve nothing more than contempt. I'm also half Scots and seem to appreciate Scottish / British history better than any Nationalist from any consituent part of the UK.Even if you were to beliefve the Braveheart film it admits to wholsale sell out by local rulers to the English for land and titles.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Thu 27 Nov, 2008 10:34 am

There will always be people who "are up for it" no matter their age or their sporting allegience. Service crew was a past part of footballing history, some may not like it, but it was there. Seems funny though that a lot of people are under the misapprehension that they still carry on like they used to when the see idiots invading the pitch at the end of the season a year or so ag, or when idiot fans decide to have ruck outside the ground. Believe me the service crew wouldn't have been so childish in those, most recent attempts. I know a lot of kids that keep banging on about the service crew and how they insist it's still a solid "firm"Silly little chavs trying to be "ard" Plus a few that wish it were still a viable group. There's only one firm hard enough to be the ultimate winners at ER these daysThe old bill. They treat all football fans like animals and as such the order usually stays put.