LEEDS THE CAPTIOL OF THE NORTH

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Sat 08 Nov, 2008 9:04 pm

cnosni wrote: A the risk of repeating myself,both Ravey davey and Trojan are right.I think we suffer from a combination of circumstances that hinder the city. We are deemed to be well off and not in need of handouts (the perception of Brdafordians and pudsey dwellers that Si pointed out.)Combined with our trumpet blowing,such as "Knightsbridge of the North,"Europes fatest growing city" etc etc etc then this perception has been enhanced to a defree that government and European bodies reckon were alright and can get on.Well,yes we can to a certain degree,because were not a city of moaners.If we get a knock back we try and sort it ourself.unfortuanately we are then ignored by the government/EU becasue (as i have used this analogy before) we are like a well behaved pupil in a classroom of children with attention deficiency syndrome.Whilst the others climb the walls of the classroom and make most of the noise,the studious Leeds gets on with it,and just like any school,is left to do so.The attention deficeincy pupils (moaning cities) are placated with handoutsTime to swallow some pride,whinge like hell,and get some attention. Manchester certainly made plenty of noise about not getting the "super casino"

dogduke · Post by **dogduke** » Sun 09 Nov, 2008 8:58 pm

Maybe the railway pioneers knew something.The 'UP' line was towards the major city on the route.UP to LONDON,DOWN to the northern towns/cities.It is UP to Manchester,DOWN to Huddersfield or Bradford to LEEDS

Reginal Perrin · Post by **Reginal Perrin** » Mon 10 Nov, 2008 12:14 pm

dogduke wrote: Maybe the railway pioneers knew something.The 'UP' line was towards the major city on the route.UP to LONDON,DOWN to the northern towns/cities.It is UP to Manchester,DOWN to Huddersfield or Bradford to LEEDS What is it you think they "knew"?

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Mon 10 Nov, 2008 1:39 pm

If I may point out a thing or two in the scu.. Manchester / Leeds argument to who has the better facitilties. Manchester does have far more facilities per capita compared to Leeds, mainly due to the amount of money is thrown at the city on a year basis. Leeds is the thrid biggest city in England.. FACT! However, it is also the third richest. Why, because of out boundry area we have places like Linton, Wetherby, Otley Bramhope etc etc etc all within the city boundries. Because of this we receive one of the lowest amount of Central govmnt contributions in the UK. The money we get from the council taxes, even from the the more affluent is only just enough to keep the city going in each fiscal year. I admit they do waste a fair amount.Sc..Manchester, on the other hand has none of the affluence, WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDRY (not the greater manchester boundray, as that is ONLY an admin area akin to Humberside etc) Hence they receive up to ten time the amount of govmnt funds per year than Leeds. Thats the reason they will always appear to be a much better city than Leeds. Puplic oppinion also counts. Manchester is the darling of the press, in all things and as such the wider british population see's it as the bigger of the northern cities, when in fact it is about 5th on the city size scales. Were you also aware that Blairs constituency up in Durham receives far more each year than Leeds yet is a fraction off the size!!

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Mon 10 Nov, 2008 1:55 pm

Trojan wrote: I'm not a soccer fan but I found hard to believe the way that the business community of Leeds sat back and let Leeds U go to the wall. I'm certain that wouldn't have happened to either of the Manchester teams. Leeds United ground was owned by LCC for a long time. They bought the ground back in the 80's when LUAFC was relegated. Once the ground was sold back to LUAFC they held share in the club and received a revenue from it. However, when The idiot board, run by Ridsdale sank the club into silly debt and the admin forced the old sharholders out for bugger all the Council lost a lot of money in it. It is hardley surprising that they wanted nothing to do with it after that. Would you.As to the two clubs in manchester going bust. I reckon had City not just been bought out then they would have been allowed to go to the wall as the press do not see them in the same way they see scum! MANure, on the other hand will always be the apple of the media eye and the press would see it as a national travesty if they were to go out of business. Never mind I can always dream of it!!

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Mon 10 Nov, 2008 2:12 pm

Facts about why Leeds IS the capitol of the North.1. Leeds was voted the UK’s Favourite City by readers of Condé Nast Traveller Magazine.2. Leeds is known as the regional capital of Yorkshire and the Humber, an area with a population of around five million – similar to that of Scotland or Denmark.3. The University of Leeds attracts more student applications than any other university in the country, making it a top UK student destination.4. 700,000 people live in the Leeds metropolitan district.5. Leeds is the UK's largest financial centre outside of London.6. Leeds is the second largest metropolitan district in the UK. It extends 15 miles from east to west, and 13 miles from north to south. The two third area of Leeds is Green Belt - which presents some of the most beautiful vistas in Yorkshire.7. Leeds is the third biggest city in the UK after London and Birmingham. 8. Leeds has the worlds oldest Railway9. Leeds once had the worlds biggest cotton mill.10. Leeds has more park land than any other city, per sq mie, in the UK.This list could go, but I thought it best to stop at 10. One last fact about Leeds United, Elland Road is still the largest cantelevered (sp) stand in European football grounds!!

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 10 Nov, 2008 4:23 pm

Trojan wrote: cnosni wrote: A the risk of repeating myself,both Ravey davey and Trojan are right.I think we suffer from a combination of circumstances that hinder the city. We are deemed to be well off and not in need of handouts (the perception of Brdafordians and pudsey dwellers that Si pointed out.)Combined with our trumpet blowing,such as "Knightsbridge of the North,"Europes fatest growing city" etc etc etc then this perception has been enhanced to a defree that government and European bodies reckon were alright and can get on.Well,yes we can to a certain degree,because were not a city of moaners.If we get a knock back we try and sort it ourself.unfortuanately we are then ignored by the government/EU becasue (as i have used this analogy before) we are like a well behaved pupil in a classroom of children with attention deficiency syndrome.Whilst the others climb the walls of the classroom and make most of the noise,the studious Leeds gets on with it,and just like any school,is left to do so.The attention deficeincy pupils (moaning cities) are placated with handoutsTime to swallow some pride,whinge like hell,and get some attention. Manchester certainly made plenty of noise about not getting the "super casino" Yes inded,and they would have got it except for a uturn by the government.Cheeky so and so,saying that the casino would help rebuild a run down area.Odd isnt it that all the commonwealth games facilities in the same area,was supposed to rebuild and regenerate.

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 10 Nov, 2008 4:24 pm

dogduke wrote: Maybe the railway pioneers knew something.The 'UP' line was towards the major city on the route.UP to LONDON,DOWN to the northern towns/cities.It is UP to Manchester,DOWN to Huddersfield or Bradford to LEEDS And even worst,its up to Hull!!

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 10 Nov, 2008 4:30 pm

simonm wrote: Facts about why Leeds IS the capitol of the North.1. Leeds was voted the UK’s Favourite City by readers of Condé Nast Traveller Magazine.2. Leeds is known as the regional capital of Yorkshire and the Humber, an area with a population of around five million – similar to that of Scotland or Denmark.3. The University of Leeds attracts more student applications than any other university in the country, making it a top UK student destination.4. 700,000 people live in the Leeds metropolitan district.5. Leeds is the UK's largest financial centre outside of London.6. Leeds is the second largest metropolitan district in the UK. It extends 15 miles from east to west, and 13 miles from north to south. The two third area of Leeds is Green Belt - which presents some of the most beautiful vistas in Yorkshire.7. Leeds is the third biggest city in the UK after London and Birmingham. 8. Leeds has the worlds oldest Railway9. Leeds once had the worlds biggest cotton mill.10. Leeds has more park land than any other city, per sq mie, in the UK.This list could go, but I thought it best to stop at 10. One last fact about Leeds United, Elland Road is still the largest cantelevered (sp) stand in European football grounds!! Very fine points mate,but wouldnt it be nice if we were actually number one at something all the time,with the exception of drive by shootings of course.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Mon 10 Nov, 2008 6:03 pm

I think there all damn fine points! No need to be number one with a resume of that calibre, IMHO!! I'm more than happy to be a loiner, to support my city, football team (in actually going to a game and not sat in my glory coloured arm chair in kent, in the city I live in and following them through thick and thin), to follow one of the worlds best rugby teams, to be at the home of one of the most charismatic cricket teams ever to grace Englands finest wicketsLeeds is the capitol of the north, even if the rags, that claim to be newspapers fall over themselves to lick the backside of the minions over the hill!!!!