Unidentified pub

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 8:26 pm

sundowner wrote: Si wrote: No, I can't make it out, Chris.Do we know when it was taken? Judging by the fashions (wing-collar, cloche and bowler hats, centre partings, etc) I'd guess early 1930s. Bearing in mind that the ages of the men looks to be mostly 40s and 50s, does this mean they are veterans of the Boer War, as they'd be too old for the Great War? Could be wrong, as I suppose fashions didn't progress much during the Second World War, in which case they are probably Great War veterans. Hi Si They say on the thread that this came from. The picture was taken after the Second World War if this is the case it would be 1939/1945 i should think. Some look a bit old so they may have been in both World Wars . Not impossible, there were only three medals issued in WW1 and some of these chaps are wearing four or five so could have been in both of the unpleasantries.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 8:32 pm

Is that chap second from the left stood up wearing an RAF uniform with the big fur collar? He is y'know, must be after WW2 then.Recognise him Arry?Could it be an Observers Corps outing? They all must have good eyesight 'cos there's nobody wearing glasses.

sundowner · Post by **sundowner** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 9:17 pm

drapesy wrote: sundowner wrote: Hi drapesy Just had a look at the pub on the other thread landlord William Bonner on the window on the right you can make out KF in the centre only pub on your list with this is the Brookfield. If its not this is there a Parkfield listed in Hunslet just a thought. thanks for that sundowner - I had noticed the 'William Bonner' bit myself - and this will be a major help in identification.I suspect though, that the pub name is not etched on the windows (its unusual, though by no means unknown, to find this)I suspect that it isn't 'KF' at all but the 'KE' in 'SMOKE ROOM'(There was a Parkfield Tavern , and I dont have a good picture of it - but I dont think this is it) Hi drapesy Ithought you would like to know had a look at the other thread again the first post was in Nov 2006.Then a second post in Aug 2007 but this one says Hunslet/Rothwell so it could be Rothwell.

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 10:26 pm

Martyn wrote: One of the chaps is circled. Is that the landlord, William Bonner? The only William Bonner I can find was born in South-east leeds in 1911 so he'd be old enough to run a pub by the late thirties. There was a Bonner family of Boot makers in Stanningley in my 1911 Kelly's and a George Bonner, a barman, in Headingley. No - it's says on the thread that the man circled is the great grandfather of the inquirer, one Benjamin Speight Holmes.Back to the flag. I'm convinced it is a British Legion flag - you can see the central overlay. Most of the ones pictured on the web have 'xyz branch' written on the overlay, but could the word on the left on 'our' flag be 'branch'? Mind, that wouldn't fit with my thought on the second word, which looks to me like 'trade'. Has anyone noticed the odd cobbles? It could be that the photographer used one of those old motorised stands which would turn from one side to the other of the group while they all sat VERY still. But if not it looks like a sort of crescent in front of the pub where a cart could draw up.

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 10:28 pm

It's an Ind Coope pub of course. Southern johnnies who aquired Leeds City Brewery and probably their pubs.Smiths on Marsh Lane was Ind coope (even I remember that and it ain't that one) and Scabby Taps still has ind coope on the frontage.After 1961 would have become a Tets.I know I know - no help at all unless you had listings of the various breweries pubs.....

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 10:35 pm

Almost there!! it was at the Low Road/Thwaite gate tram terminus - picture from May1953 Don't worry - I'll put a name to it somehow or other if no one else does!

Bramley4woods · Post by **Bramley4woods** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 10:47 pm

Geordie-exile wrote: Martyn wrote: One of the chaps is circled. Is that the landlord, William Bonner? The only William Bonner I can find was born in South-east leeds in 1911 so he'd be old enough to run a pub by the late thirties. There was a Bonner family of Boot makers in Stanningley in my 1911 Kelly's and a George Bonner, a barman, in Headingley. No - it's says on the thread that the man circled is the great grandfather of the inquirer, one Benjamin Speight Holmes.Back to the flag. I'm convinced it is a British Legion flag - you can see the central overlay. Most of the ones pictured on the web have 'xyz branch' written on the overlay, but could the word on the left on 'our' flag be 'branch'? Mind, that wouldn't fit with my thought on the second word, which looks to me like 'trade'. I've talked myself into believing the inscription on the flag reads :"Beamish Pride"and there are ocurrences of that phrase on the web.or equally likely "British Pride".

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 11:03 pm

drapesy wrote: Almost there!! it was at the Low Road/Thwaite gate tram terminus - near the Red Lion and Crooked Billet. Desperately trying to put a name to it - if I hadnt lost so much stuff to that damned virus I'd have had it days ago!!!! ( I think the sign says .???...ARMS and IND COOPE below the logo - ??? quite a short word)picture from May1953 Don't worry - I'll put a name to it somehow or other if no else does! Not The Mexboro?

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 11:13 pm

Sorry - no not the Mexboro . ignore much of my ramblings above it IS the Crooked Billet - now so much altered its hardly recognisable!A new window has been put in above the front door - and the pub has expanded into the property to the right, previously a house.(you can just see the faint division between the 2 properties above the 'ED' in 'CROOKED)Mystery solved.

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 11:24 pm

Knew we could rely on you Drapesy. Well done! Do you fancy registering at the other site to give the chappie the good news?