Family History in Leeds

[icecube]

Hi Cnosni,                 Thank you for post do you have any info about my family from info in my post i am finding it hard but Si has give me a good start any help welcome.                                         Thank You Chris

[Si]

I agree with everything you say, Chris (cnosni.) Well, not literally everything you say...what you said in your post...you know what I mean...rambling...Hi Chris (Mk II)I've had a look at earlier Censuses, and found an Armistead lineage. However, I'm not 100% sure it's the same John Armistead (William's father) as the birth years don't tally exactly. This does happen a lot, though, as you will see.I'll post what I've found anyway.1881 Census217 Park Lane, LeedsJohn Armistead 39 coal merchant LeedsElizabeth 42 ---- Westbury, WiltshireJOHN W 18 carter LeedsWalter 16 corn miller LeedsHannah E 13 scholar LeedsChas H 10 scholar LeedsAnnie 8 scholar LeedsRG11 4531 17 28(Note John's age. Here he was born c1863, yet in the 1891 and 1901 Census, he was born c1859. This is why there is some doubt.)1871 Census19 Howard Street, NE LeedsJohn Armistead 29 coal dealer LeedsElizabeth 29 (same age!) -----Westbury, WiltsThomas 10 LeedsJOHN W 8 LeedsWalter 6 LeedsHannah E 4 LeedsCharles H 3monthsRG10 4564 147 71861 Census7 Reuben Cottages, NW LeedsJohn Armistead 19 letter carrier, Post Office LeedsElizabeth 21 ---- Leeds (Note: not Westbury, Wilts.)Thomas 9months LeedsRG9 3387 107 191851 Census34 Reuben Street, Little London, LeedsRichard Armistead 38 tailor-journeyman LeedsHannah 38 ---- LeedsJohn 9 scholar LeedsElizabeth 7 scholar LeedsGeorgeana 5 scholar LeedsWalter 4 scholar LeedsAnna 2 ---- LeedsEmma 3months LeedsHO107 2321 977 171841 CensusPark Lane, Leeds (again!)Richard Armistead 25 (age rounded up?) tailor YorkshireHannah 25 ---- YorkshireThomas 3 YorkshireJoseph 2months Yorkshire(It looks like little Thomas and Joseph didn't make it.)HO107 1349 book5As I said, the link between William's father (John) and his grandfather (also John) isn't 100%, so you'll have to do more research yourself! I think the rest is fairly accurate, though maybe not your ancestors!!!Cheers, Si.

[cnosni]

Those census look good Si,i think its the same John even though Elizabeth is described as born Leeds in the 1861,this was usually down to the copying of the census returns into the register,it must be easy to take your eye off and go back to look at the wrong one.Ive had this loads of times.As for the 1841 census everyone between the age of 15 and 75 was supposed to have their age rounded down to the nearest five,all the others were supposed to have an accurate age.However you do tend to find that on occasions in villages that everyone gets an accurate year of birth,though not in the towns and cities because of the sheer number of collections.

[Si]

Yes, you do come across mistakes, mainly due to transcribing. Some of those Victorian officials had beautiful copper-plate handwriting, but others look like a drunk spider crawled across the page. However, I'm always cautious when someone's age or birth year are more than two years out.There are other John Armisteads in the Census, but the one I went with was the closest both in age and other details. There were three others in the 1861 Census: Leeds, born 1842; Pudsey, born 1840 and Hunslet, born 1844.When are we off for a pint, then?

[cnosni]

Si wrote: Yes, you do come across mistakes, mainly due to transcribing. Some of those Victorian officials had beautiful copper-plate handwriting, but others look like a drunk spider crawled across the page. However, I'm always cautious when someone's age or birth year are more than two years out.There are other John Armisteads in the Census, but the one I went with was the closest both in age and other details. There were three others in the 1861 Census: Leeds, born 1842; Pudsey, born 1840 and Hunslet, born 1844.When are we off for a pint, then? The best way of proving this is by a few strategically purchased certificates i think or go through each census and look for each of the other possible families,see if there is a track record etc

[Si]

There must have been quite an army of Census collectors to get round every house in Britain collecting the returns in one night. Or did they use Father Christmas?

[Si]

Hi, Chris (Icecube,)Here's Reuben Street, Little London, where the Armisteads lived c1851-c1861.

[icecube]

Thank You ,                 I will try my best to follow this up, could i please ask if you both Cnosni and Si could find eny thing about my fathers side the Darby name his dad was William Darby born 15/5/1917 Leeds Barron Street Beeston he was a fireman in Leeds think the fire station was near the Town Hall my dads side is a mystery the name Evans could also be involved, I know im a pain but have got the bit betwen my teeth now lol William Darby Married my nanna St Anthonys RC Church Beeston Leeds 2/10/1937.                                     Big Thanks Si and Cnosni                                                Chris

[Si]

Hi, Chris,I've found your William Darby on Ancestry. He's shown on Births, Deaths and Marriages Index 1917 Apr-May-Jun volume 9b, in Hunslet, mother's maiden name Haynes. The original document is unavailable, I'm afraid.I then checked the name Darby in the 1901 Census. It listed 8 Darbys in Leeds and one in Hunslet, an Alfred Darby, living in a boarding house at 8 Back Kidacre Street. Ring any bells?Like I said, it's easier if the person was born before 1901.Cheers,Si.

[cnosni]

icecube wrote: Thank You ,                 I will try my best to follow this up, could i please ask if you both Cnosni and Si could find eny thing about my fathers side the Darby name his dad was William Darby born 15/5/1917 Leeds Barron Street Beeston he was a fireman in Leeds think the fire station was near the Town Hall my dads side is a mystery the name Evans could also be involved, I know im a pain but have got the bit betwen my teeth now lol William Darby Married my nanna St Anthonys RC Church Beeston Leeds 2/10/1937.                                     Big Thanks Si and Cnosni                                                Chris Hi icecube.Ok i think ive found William Darbys birth registration,at Hunslet,quarter Apr-jun 1917 GRO reg 9b 641.The maiden name of the mother is Haynes,so i looked for a marriage of a Haynes and a Darby and found one registered Mansfield ,quarter apr-jun 1912 GRO ref 7b 189 for a John R Darby and Annie M HAINESThe name of the father of William Darby should be with the marriage record at St Anthonys and on the marriage certificate,if you have either these then check the fathers name,this will either confirm or refute the marriage in Mansfield.If it does refute then start a search for the father named at William Darbys marriage.If you dont have the certificate you can order it online fromhttps://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.aspYou will have to register,and use the reference number for the marriage of Wiliam Darby which isLeeds south, quarter Oct-Dec 1937 GRO ref 9b 1053Alternatively you can get the certificate at Leeds registry office (Not between 12 and 2pm),as you can for any BMD in the Leeds area.Let us know how you go on,DONT try to jump ahead mate,steady away,step by step.The idea is to spend as little as possible,but ocasionally you have to shell out the readies,but when you do ensure you target a certificate when you have exhausted all other options.Chris