A very old Establishment down the Skulls head yard (Part 1)

Post by **cnosni** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 12:51 am

Good view of the area,note the White Cloth Hall Courthttp://www.aboutmyplace.co.uk/showmap?id=15251 ... =ls2%207da

Phill_d · Post by **Phill_d** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 1:02 am

Yeah. I like the link with the York Minster too. I smell a nice little educational visit and lesson in the art of stone masonry and an interesting behind the scenes tour of the minster if we word a nice letter together here Chris. Any thoughts?

Phill_d · Post by **Phill_d** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 1:10 am

regarding Kevin O ' Grady.Hi Phill, via Suzanne Mctaggart Y.E.PI hope everything went ok with the picture. I have just written the words and spoken to Dr Kevin Grady of the Leeds Civic Trust. He was aware of the story but said he'd only received a vague email - he would like to see all the information (ie) something that's a bit more concrete. If you wanted to do this / suggest it to the people at Secret Leeds (ie), I think he'd really appreciate it.I'll let you know when it's going in! Have a good weekend, thanks S

Post by **cnosni** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 10:10 am

Phill_d wrote: regarding Kevin O ' Grady.Hi Phill, via Suzanne Mctaggart Y.E.PI hope everything went ok with the picture. I have just written the words and spoken to Dr Kevin Grady of the Leeds Civic Trust. He was aware of the story but said he'd only received a vague email - he would like to see all the information (ie) something that's a bit more concrete. If you wanted to do this / suggest it to the people at Secret Leeds (ie), I think he'd really appreciate it.I'll let you know when it's going in! Have a good weekend, thanks S Vague email?what does Dr O'Grady mean?(ahem)

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 10:13 am

I wonder if Ion Dyson are uncommunicative because they're worried they'll be in trouble for removing the skulls?

Post by **cnosni** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 11:02 am

Geordie-exile wrote: I wonder if Ion Dyson are uncommunicative because they're worried they'll be in trouble for removing the skulls? i didnt know that contact with Dysons had been made,have i missed something?

Post by **cnosni** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 11:21 am

Okay done abit of digging about the Crown and Fleece pub.We had speculatedthat possibly the Crown and Fleece were two seperate pubs,as the building as it is now is two seperate shops AND it looks as though they are of contemporary construction but do appear to be seperate buildings.So i looked at the 1841 census and with a bit of tracking i managed to identify a publican living on Crown Street.Though the pub is not named the publican is,he is a John Ainsley,aged 55,born Yorkshire.There is also a Sarah Ainsley ,aged 50,in the same household.I then had a look at an online transcript of White's Directory of 1837, "professions and trades"for LEEDS.http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WR ... .htmlUnder innkeepers there is a listing for:-Crown & Fleece, J Ainley, 3 Crown st .This would appear to be the same chap in the 1841 census,though the number of the property on Crown Street is at odds with what we do know the number of the old pub to be.So if they were ever two seperate pubs then it was before 1837,as the directory clearly states Crown and Fleece,and the 1841 census shows just one publican on Crown Street.Perhaps a visit to the shop may provide some answers.Any way on the subject of the Civic Trust,if they want something concrete then what are we going to do about it?Can we all come to some sort of agreement as to what we should say to the Civic trust,post some thoughts on here and then see if we can amalgamate the various bits into a coherent(ahem ahem) message,which i think someone else apart from me should do as im probably persona non grata and any email from me wil be binned.

Post by **chameleon** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 11:41 am

Phill_d wrote: Yeah. I like the link with the York Minster too. I smell a nice little educational visit and lesson in the art of stone masonry and an interesting behind the scenes tour of the minster if we word a nice letter together here Chris. Any thoughts? I smell Phill being sidetracked....I think what is already on here could be knocked up into a very good 'business case' and if kept bouyant and in the public face, should atttract some funding, though I suspect it will be a little more than a few hundred as a one-off job.The Civic Trust may well come on to this one, if the history is substantiated there may even be scope for a plaque, you never know'(Geordie, cnosni - I couldn't even get a link to work to that Bird's Eye view. Missing something, clues welcome ).

Post by **cnosni** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 11:58 am

chameleon wrote: Phill_d wrote: Yeah. I like the link with the York Minster too. I smell a nice little educational visit and lesson in the art of stone masonry and an interesting behind the scenes tour of the minster if we word a nice letter together here Chris. Any thoughts? I smell Phill being sidetracked....I think what is already on here could be knocked up into a very good 'business case' and if kept bouyant and in the public face, should atttract some funding, though I suspect it will be a little more than a few hundred as a one-off job.The Civic Trust may well come on to this one, if the history is substantiated there may even be scope for a plaque, you never know'(Geordie, cnosni - I couldn't even get a link to work to that Bird's Eye view. Missing something, clues welcome ). Sustantiating the history is the problem,there must be some contemporary record of the event in the hay loft.But some of us think that these skulls are much much older than the event with the recruits,hence trying to get the YAS involved,see if they could give us a possible date for the carving of the skulls.

Post by **chameleon** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 12:33 pm

Agreed cnosni. Everything I've seen, albeit not definitive, comes back to the impressed soldiers and whether carved for that event, or acquired from elsewhere, were still to comemorate that, I think this wouldl be what will lend weight to any return and protection.I can't help thinking that if they were simply pillaged from somewhere for no particular reason, their significance may be viewed differently - and that would be shame, so personally, I rather hope they did originate at that time.