Sheeny Park

[cnosni]

and another thats been pilfered,this time my dads street shortly before he was born:-24th September 1929. View taken from Cross Stamford Street of St Lukes Street. Shop on left is number 9 Cross Stamford Street and is the business of Daniel Cohen, Shopkeeper with John William Pawson general store next door. Painted advertising signs can be seen. Junction with Stamford Street on the right.

[cnosni]

I dont recall any mention of West Indian immigrants in the Leylands,and i imagine that by the time they started to arrive that the buildings in these pictures had gone any way.

[fevlad]

immigration into any city or town is indeed a fascinating subject.It never stays still: people move into an area-generally a poor one, become established and move on.wasn't Sheepscar the base of Irish immigrants to the city?

[chameleon]

kierentc wrote: cnosni wrote: There were lots of street aroun where the TA barracks are and down towards the inner ring road.There was also a church,St Lukes.These i believe were where most of the Jewish immigrants lived.My dad lived on St Lukes Street and at the bottom of their road wasa jewish bakers called Cohens,i seem to remember there is a pic on Leodis of it. oh, ok. so right at the edge of the current little london estate then? i wonder if the houses went right over where clay pit lane is as well? and as far down as meanwood road? i have a work colleague who lived on meanwood road as a child and remembers the terraced houses being there before the newer estate was built. as shes only in her 50s so not a million years ago.i'm guessing from looking at them the little london houses were built in the 60s?so were the old houses still there in the 50s, and did immigrants from asia and the west indies live there after the war? or had the houses been long condemned and dozered before then? and they moved straight to chapeltown and similar?immigration is a fascinating subject. if a bit off the point of the original post, lol. I remember terraces running of North Street up as far as Meanwood Road, on the corner of one was a radio/components shop, Alpha Radio.A quick look on good old Godfrey Map 1906 does indeed show a mass of housing engulfing the entire area with names like Wintoun St, Oastler Terr, Elmwood Street, Crimbles St, Crawford St and the Lovells.Two features shown at the northern corner of the park on Wade Lane/Camp Road are the Corporation Hotel and a small rectanglular shape, marked 'Urinal'!

[Bramley4woods]

chameleon wrote: kierentc wrote: cnosni wrote: There were lots of street aroun where the TA barracks are and down towards the inner ring road.There was also a church,St Lukes.These i believe were where most of the Jewish immigrants lived.My dad lived on St Lukes Street and at the bottom of their road wasa jewish bakers called Cohens,i seem to remember there is a pic on Leodis of it. oh, ok. so right at the edge of the current little london estate then? i wonder if the houses went right over where clay pit lane is as well? and as far down as meanwood road? i have a work colleague who lived on meanwood road as a child and remembers the terraced houses being there before the newer estate was built. as shes only in her 50s so not a million years ago.i'm guessing from looking at them the little london houses were built in the 60s?so were the old houses still there in the 50s, and did immigrants from asia and the west indies live there after the war? or had the houses been long condemned and dozered before then? and they moved straight to chapeltown and similar?immigration is a fascinating subject. if a bit off the point of the original post, lol. I remember terraces running of North Street up as far as Meanwood Road, on the corner of one was a radio/components shop, Alpha Radio.A quick look on good old Godfrey Map 1906 does indeed show a mass of housing engulfing the entire area with names like Wintoun St, Oastler Terr, Elmwood Street, Crimbles St, Crawford St and the Lovells.Two features shown at the northern corner of the park on Wade Lane/Camp Road are the Corporation Hotel and a small rectanglular shape, marked 'Urinal'! Ahaaah !Alpha Radio's address was "Leeds Terrace off Wintoun St".Plenty of shots of Leeds terrace on Leodis many of which showing the Jewish Ceremonial Baths on the adjoining Albert Grove. I think with the Jew's park, and the Jewish bath house this area cannot have been very far from the centre of the Jewish district in Leeds around the turn of the century.Wintoun St joined North St at right angles. The buildings that had their frontage thereabouts on North St backed onto Leeds Terrace, which was in a parlous state Ca. 1961 when I was going there.You could also access Alpha Radio by going into a tailors workshop 2-3 doors down North St and going up some stairs at the back of the shop. Basically the whole lot is just a grassy embankment for the North St one way system nowadays but Wintoun St was more / less opposite the traffic light junction at the top of Skinner Lane.

[chameleon]

Bramley4woods wrote: chameleon wrote: kierentc wrote: cnosni wrote: There were lots of street aroun where the TA barracks are and down towards the inner ring road.There was also a church,St Lukes.These i believe were where most of the Jewish immigrants lived.My dad lived on St Lukes Street and at the bottom of their road wasa jewish bakers called Cohens,i seem to remember there is a pic on Leodis of it. oh, ok. so right at the edge of the current little london estate then? i wonder if the houses went right over where clay pit lane is as well? and as far down as meanwood road? i have a work colleague who lived on meanwood road as a child and remembers the terraced houses being there before the newer estate was built. as shes only in her 50s so not a million years ago.i'm guessing from looking at them the little london houses were built in the 60s?so were the old houses still there in the 50s, and did immigrants from asia and the west indies live there after the war? or had the houses been long condemned and dozered before then? and they moved straight to chapeltown and similar?immigration is a fascinating subject. if a bit off the point of the original post, lol. I remember terraces running of North Street up as far as Meanwood Road, on the corner of one was a radio/components shop, Alpha Radio.A quick look on good old Godfrey Map 1906 does indeed show a mass of housing engulfing the entire area with names like Wintoun St, Oastler Terr, Elmwood Street, Crimbles St, Crawford St and the Lovells.Two features shown at the northern corner of the park on Wade Lane/Camp Road are the Corporation Hotel and a small rectanglular shape, marked 'Urinal'! Ahaaah !Alpha Radio's address was "Leeds Terrace off Wintoun St".Plenty of shots of Leeds terrace on Leodis many of which showing the Jewish Ceremonial Baths on the adjoining Albert Grove. I think with the Jew's park, and the Jewish bath house this area cannot have been very far from the centre of the Jewish district in Leeds around the turn of the century.Wintoun St joined North St at right angles. The buildings that had their frontage thereabouts on North St backed onto Leeds Terrace, which was in a parlous state Ca. 1961 when I was going there.You could also access Alpha Radio by going into a tailors workshop 2-3 doors down North St and going up some stairs at the back of the shop. Basically the whole lot is just a grassy embankment for the North St one way system nowadays but Wintoun St was more / less opposite the traffic light junction at the top of Skinner Lane. Oh yes! Plenty of chunky humming transformers for powering fillaments in' bottles when transistors were still a marvellous invention the amateur market was dying for. OC71 for 2/6?Being familiar with individual units, hard to believe that 100's of 1000's of their little inards now live in one piece of stuff in the depths of our beloved 'puters!

[LS1]

The terminology Sheeny is extremely offensive, if you look the term up in the dictionary it has a "taboo" by it. I would say what it's on a par with but i'd probably get banned!There are load of pics of the Leylands area which was roughly where Copenhagen Street was (now flattened and New York Road flyover is built on it) to Benson Street and bounded east and West by North Street and regent st on Leodis. try Myrtle st, Byron Street, nile street brunswick st..... I could go on. If anyone is interested Murray Freeman has written loads about this. Books in alot of the Leeds libraries. Jews lived in other areas but this was the "true" Leylands area

[fevlad]

LS1 wrote: The terminology Sheeny is extremely offensive, if you look the term up in the dictionary it has a "taboo" by it. I would say what it's on a par with but i'd probably get banned!There are load of pics of the Leylands area which was roughly where Copenhagen Street was (now flattened and New York Road flyover is built on it) to Benson Street and bounded east and West by North Street and regent st on Leodis. try Myrtle st, Byron Street, nile street brunswick st..... I could go on. If anyone is interested Murray Freeman has written loads about this. Books in alot of the Leeds libraries. Jews lived in other areas but this was the "true" Leylands area I completely agreeit goes to show what attitudes were acceptable in 'the good old days'there is racism now of course, but at least there's less of it, and in nearly all walks of life it isn't toleratedI'll look out for Freeman's books. I'm interested in the influx of jews into leeds. What stories must lie behind that6 disapora.

[LS1]

My Great Grandmother lived in Myrtle Street, and my great Grandfather in Copenhagen and later Byron Streets. There are loads of stories my Grandpa and Grandma tell me now of the people that used to live there. My Grandpa is now 94 so cant remember the early stuff but certainly things from the 20s. In fact on the 19th or the 26th April there is a documentary on TV about the Leylands, and a guy called Leonard Reed who is 98 is being interviewed about life down there. Cant remember what channel its on tho!You are best getting maps and looking at the streets that used to be there. It wasa right rabbit warren of unhealthy and unsanitary housing. Trouble was, it was hard for jews to get work in those days as alot of firms wouldn't employ them. Barrens for example wouldnt take on Jews. So they worked in the area, and subcontracted themselves out, so indirectly they were doing alot of the work for they very factories that wouldnt let them work directly for them!This all changed though with Burtons, cant remember the exact figures, but 1000's people worked there. My Grandpa even for a stint before he was called up for WWII.

[fevlad]

fascinating stuffthanks