Dialect/slang

[arry_awk]

Hi ChameleonThanks for that Seacroft info. Never gotup that way a lot after 1937 so can't recall muchof the topography!My auntie was in the cardio unit at Seacroft for aspell in the 70's, and Dad died in Killingbeck in 1966,but I didn't take much notice of the surrounding area!Always remember the imposing Seacroft clock tower.CheersArry

[chameleon]

arry awk wrote: Hi ChameleonThanks for that Seacroft info. Never gotup that way a lot after 1937 so can't recall muchof the topography!My auntie was in the cardio unit at Seacroft for aspell in the 70's, and Dad died in Killingbeck in 1966,but I didn't take much notice of the surrounding area!Always remember the imposing Seacroft clock tower.CheersArry ooooooh yes, the clock tower! I've mentioned my unpleasant experience with that on here already arry.

[cnosni]

arry awk wrote: As far as I can remember,we used 'While' wherever welived in Leeds! Armley,Bramley, Woodhouse,Burley (Leeds 3). I can recall Mam saying, 'You just waitwhile I fetch yer Dad', or 'Yer'll ave to wait for yer breakfastwhile I get this weshing strungout across t'street!'or,'I'll just have a quick puff (smoke!) while t'bus arrives'!Part of everyday speech to us!How about,'Get us a pint in while I go to't bog!' I bet one or two otherlocal Loiners can remember using similar phrases?Arry I say while all the time,most people i know in Leeds say it,we are used to it and dont notice it as being out of the ordinary.However its not used outside of Leeds,though until last week when i saw the fact mentioned by Rod McPhee in the YEP and then asked our lass if it was unique to the area did i realise that it was a Leeds "thing"Strange how ive never been picked up on it by outsiders.Heres something ive noticed Arry,above you say "while t'bus arrives"I dont pronounce the t' at all.UnlesS i am GOING somewhere,ie im off t'shop ,this abbreviation being a replacement of two words,to and the .andIn the example of speech that you have given i would simply say "while bus arrives",is this an example of different areas within Leeds having a further sub division of speech?East Yorkshire is quite unique in virtually having no use for the word the,or even t',this is because "the"would appear to be a relative newcomer to language in the North,and clearly the inhabitants of East Yorkshire never took it up until more recent times.Heres a cracking liitle site for thos interestred in dialect,listen to the west Riding fella who sound like everyone you know,then listen to the East Riding fella,big difference.http://www.yorksj.ac.uk/dialect/

[arry_awk]

Hi CnosiA few weeks ago on the same subject of missingthe 'the' or t' in Leedsspeak, (It was in the posting aboutpronouncing Pudsey and Bradford!),I seem to rememberactually saying that most Leeds/Bradford/Pudsey peoplemiss 'The' and even 't' out altogether and substitutea very minute aspirate e.g; Pu<h>sey or Bra<h>ford,or'Get up in<h> mornin' Try it yourself! It comes out asa very slight constriction of the epiglottis!I only put the t' in those quotes in my previous descriptive, because a<h> could have caused confusionamong our 'Oft Cummed' SL exiles from other regions!Try, 'While<h>bus arrives'. (fits better than just missing out the conjunction, which doesn't sound 'Leeds' at all saying,'whilebusarrives'!Thanks for the dialect download. Have to unravel all those 'buttons'WHEN I get a minute! Thanks again.Arry

[peterg]

I lived in Roseville Terrace from the age of 4 to 6 and went to Kepler School and then we went to Crossgates. I remember a lot of the expressions given above, too many to list them one by one. However, I had an aunt who lived in Batley, where we went frequently, so I can't remember whether I heard them there or in Leeds.

[arry_awk]

Back again! Can't keep away!I can't remember seeing 'Pop' in thisthread?e.g Popshop; Pawnbroker's pledge office.Popped his clogs! (Died). When someone'snuffed it', the family would pawn his clogs and suitetc to raise cash in hard times.Pop; Dartboard bullseye (score 50)Centre pop; Engineering term for small pointedtool struck with a hammer to make a 'start'for the drill to bite in metal ,or to mark out where holesneeded to be drilled.Pop to<h>shop(!); nip out to the corner shop.Playing pop with; Telling off.and of course, generally, a fizzy drink(pop).

[Chrism]

Shut ya chelp! I had that shouted at me quite a few times.

[Chrism]

Also, "mum, we're off down t'navvy forra laik abart"Mum, we are going to the canal for a play about.

[peterg]

As regards the word 'cadge', my memory is that the word 'cadger' was used in a derogatory sense to describe someone who was always trying to borrow things to avoid acquiring his own.With regard to 'chav', according to the Dictionary of the Spanish Academy, the word 'charvo' (with the 'r') does not exist, but there is a Spanish gypsy word 'chavó' with the accent on the final 'o', with the meaning of 'lad'.I recall 'spanish' for 'licorice'. The place where they made "pomfret cakes" was just in front of the school I attended for 18 months during the war. Dunhills I think the name was.

[Brandy]

im pretty sure that chav is short for charver as in "hes a proper cushdie charver mush"