Ginnels of Leeds

[peterg]

What about the one at the end of Penda's Walk that goes through to Austhorpe Road.

[cnosni]

My perception and use of the phrase "Ginnel" was always associated with narrow passageways between buildings and streets,not footpaths,could be a north Leeds thing i suppose.Noticed in the YEP that an article about old Bramley referred to a ginnel in the same context as i have mentioned.Wiggy is from my neck of the woods,what do you think?    

[Bramley4woods]

cnosni wrote: My perception and use of the phrase "Ginnel" was always associated with narrow passageways between buildings and streets,not footpaths,could be a north Leeds thing i suppose.Noticed in the YEP that an article about old Bramley referred to a ginnel in the same context as i have mentioned.Wiggy is from my neck of the woods,what do you think?     All I can say is that on the Sandford Estate the streets were arranged as terraces (No particular reference to Broad Lea Street and Broad Lea Terrace intended) but what we called "The Ginnel" ran at 90 degrees between them and intersected all of them.It was paved footpath with fences/hedging either side. definitely only for pedestrians. I don't know what the word meant anywhere else.

[peterg]

There was another one on the Penda's Estate between Kelmscott Lane and Sandbed Lane. Also, the word "snicket" runs through my mimd, is it a synonym, or something else?

[cnosni]

peterg wrote: There was another one on the Penda's Estate between Kelmscott Lane and Sandbed Lane. Also, the word "snicket" runs through my mimd, is it a synonym, or something else? Yeah, a grassy /hedge lined type track was called a snicket around my way

[Bramley4woods]

peterg wrote: There was another one on the Penda's Estate between Kelmscott Lane and Sandbed Lane. Also, the word "snicket" runs through my mimd, is it a synonym, or something else? Acording to www.allwords.com they were both "a narrow passageway". A Snicket led *from* one place to another. Whereas a Ginnel ran *between* two places (such as blocks of terraced houses).A bit like the difference between a weasel and a stoat.A weasel's weasily distinguished, but a stoat's stotally differentHope this helps.

[wiggy]

i think of ginnels,i think of the short one on stwilfrids avenue that runs between the houses onto easterly road,with the old farm gate post still in the middle of the path,the long one on the same street,that runs down toward the fforde grene,and used to be a railline from gipton pit,used to transport coal to the waiting wagons on harehills lane.then my favourite ginnel of them all,the one that runs from the junction of arlington road and oakwood lane,all the way through to elmete hill.this has an old manor house en route complete with what were stables,some houses that we all called the army barracks (look at em you will see why),a lovely old run of sandstone wall with bricked up doorways and stairs and another ginnel running perpendicular to it that once went to the archery fields.yes cnosni,thats what i call a set of ginnels!    

[cnosni]

wiggy wrote: i think of ginnels,i think of the short one on stwilfrids avenue that runs between the houses onto easterly road,with the old farm gate post still in the middle of the path,the long one on the same street,that runs down toward the fforde grene,and used to be a railline from gipton pit,used to transport coal to the waiting wagons on harehills lane.then my favourite ginnel of them all,the one that runs from the junction of arlington road and oakwood lane,all the way through to elmete hill.this has an old manor house en route complete with what were stables,some houses that we all called the army barracks (look at em you will see why),a lovely old run of sandstone wall with bricked up doorways and stairs and another ginnel running perpendicular to it that once went to the archery fields.yes cnosni,thats what i call a set of ginnels!     Is that one still there between St Wilfreds and Easterley Road,i forgot about that one.Now i would have called that a snicket as its pretty much "open",apart from when it goes between the houses on to Easterley Road.Its all about what you used as a kid i suppose,my circle of friends in my youth used the term ginnel for a "passageway" between buildings and streets,where as paths on open ground between one area and another was a snicket.

[cnosni]

Bramley4woods wrote: peterg wrote: There was another one on the Penda's Estate between Kelmscott Lane and Sandbed Lane. Also, the word "snicket" runs through my mimd, is it a synonym, or something else? Acording to www.allwords.com they were both "a narrow passageway". A Snicket led *from* one place to another. Whereas a Ginnel ran *between* two places (such as blocks of terraced houses).A bit like the difference between a weasel and a stoat.A weasel's weasily distinguished, but a stoat's stotally differentHope this helps. Thats always been my perception,but i suppose they are interchangeable in definition,because there is no real definition of their use or origin.These words seem peculiar to Leeds,and as such we should embrace them both,but probably if im sat in a pub with a pint (quality beer only) and an open fire i would stand my corner,until i had to go to the bog and then get the next round,then i would probably have forgot all about it (hic!)

[arry_awk]

How's this for a combination?My dear wife hails originally from Seafordin Sussex, where they call a ginnel type alley,path,snicket whatever; a Twitten!We, in God's own place of residence, mainlycall it a Ginnel. (Still here?)When we lived in LUTON (OOOPS!),in the1960's They (Not us) called alleyways by the name of;TWINNELS !How did they know we were hybrids?Think abt it!ARRY