Dialect/slang

Bramley4woods · Post by **Bramley4woods** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 2:26 am

Steve Jones wrote: Fascinating thread. As an "off cummed un" from lancashire (i am just here on missionary work, taken me 22 years so far

)I am interested in dialect. i notice a lot of words in common for West Yorkshire and Lancs.I love doylem although I have seen it spely 2doilum" which knocks out the Irish idea mentioned earlier in the thread.i thought it might be animal related. any old farmers on here?a North yorks word is "mullock" used to describe a headstrong idiot of a mess as in "He made a right mullock of it", this derives from a name for a young calf and the type of actions they perform.One that used ti baffle my Yorkshire girlfriends was "side" as in "please side the table" meaning to clear up. I haven't come across it on this side of the pennines (I am a Mancunian originally, hence the webbed feet<G>). Anyone heard it over here? The sideboard was the essential element of food service "A la Russe", (The Russian way) as opposed to "A la Francaise".In service "A La Russe" the joint was carved and plated up from a table at the side of the dining room, as opposed to in the kitchen, thus giving the diners a better selection of well done / rare, thick / thin, or whatever. The used crockery was retired to the side table at the end of each course speeding up the service in a big house where the kitchen could be 100 yards away.Board (Bwrdd - Welsh , Bord - Scots Gaelic) is an old word for table.In fact in Leeds in the 60's some of my friends used to say "Put it on the side" meaning taking something not needed or finished with out of the way.

Si · Post by Si » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 2:29 pm

Bramley4woods wrote: Steve Jones wrote: Fascinating thread. As an "off cummed un" from lancashire (i am just here on missionary work, taken me 22 years so far

)I am interested in dialect. i notice a lot of words in common for West Yorkshire and Lancs.I love doylem although I have seen it spely 2doilum" which knocks out the Irish idea mentioned earlier in the thread.i thought it might be animal related. any old farmers on here?a North yorks word is "mullock" used to describe a headstrong idiot of a mess as in "He made a right mullock of it", this derives from a name for a young calf and the type of actions they perform.One that used ti baffle my Yorkshire girlfriends was "side" as in "please side the table" meaning to clear up. I haven't come across it on this side of the pennines (I am a Mancunian originally, hence the webbed feet<G>). Anyone heard it over here? The sideboard was the essential element of food service "A la Russe", (The Russian way) as opposed to "A la Francaise".In service "A La Russe" the joint was carved and plated up from a table at the side of the dining room, as opposed to in the kitchen, thus giving the diners a better selection of well done / rare, thick / thin, or whatever. The used crockery was retired to the side table at the end of each course speeding up the service in a big house where the kitchen could be 100 yards away.Board (Bwrdd - Welsh , Bord - Scots Gaelic) is an old word for table.In fact in Leeds in the 60's some of my friends used to say "Put it on the side" meaning taking something not needed or finished with out of the way. Also as in, "Where's us car keys?" "They're on the side."I guess cupboard has the same derivation?

geoffb · Post by **geoffb** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 3:09 pm

arry awk wrote: Hi Jonesy, and welcome to thee an'all!Yes, the word 'Side' or 'siden up' the washed plates and cutleryafter a meal, meant stacking them on t'SIDEboard,or dresser. AMuch used phrase on my dad's side (!) of the family. Mum of coursedidn't use the word as she was from Salford of Irish parents!Another derivative was to 'Sam' your tools up, meaning to put them away in their proper place! (never worked that one out!)Another one peculiar to Leeds was " Sittin' ont'corser edge'laikin taws or pulling strings of 'gas tar' from the cobbles (setts)on hot days! Better than playdough but mucky!Presume 'Corser' was short for the kerb at the side of the Causeway.(Road)More latercheersArry we use to laik matchbox rugby ont corser edge wi matchstix fort posts. these were stuck to flags wi tar balls. Another saying was its ot enough to fry an egg ont flags.The expression sam also meant to hold something, like"ere sam od o this will thi whilst a go get t'ammer.

geoffb · Post by **geoffb** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 4:01 pm

arry awk wrote: Hi Jonesy, and welcome to thee an'all!Yes, the word 'Side' or 'siden up' the washed plates and cutleryafter a meal, meant stacking them on t'SIDEboard,or dresser. AMuch used phrase on my dad's side (!) of the family. Mum of coursedidn't use the word as she was from Salford of Irish parents!Another derivative was to 'Sam' your tools up, meaning to put them away in their proper place! (never worked that one out!)Another one peculiar to Leeds was " Sittin' ont'corser edge'laikin taws or pulling strings of 'gas tar' from the cobbles (setts)on hot days! Better than playdough but mucky!Presume 'Corser' was short for the kerb at the side of the Causeway.(Road)More latercheersArry we use to laik matchbox rugby ont corser edge wi matchstix fort posts. these were stuck to flags wi tar balls. Another saying was its ot enough to fry an egg ont flags.The expression sam also meant to hold something, like"ere sam od o this will thi whilst a go get t'ammer.

geoffb · Post by **geoffb** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 4:02 pm

arry awk wrote: Hi Jonesy, and welcome to thee an'all!Yes, the word 'Side' or 'siden up' the washed plates and cutleryafter a meal, meant stacking them on t'SIDEboard,or dresser. AMuch used phrase on my dad's side (!) of the family. Mum of coursedidn't use the word as she was from Salford of Irish parents!Another derivative was to 'Sam' your tools up, meaning to put them away in their proper place! (never worked that one out!)Another one peculiar to Leeds was " Sittin' ont'corser edge'laikin taws or pulling strings of 'gas tar' from the cobbles (setts)on hot days! Better than playdough but mucky!Presume 'Corser' was short for the kerb at the side of the Causeway.(Road)More latercheersArry we use to laik matchbox rugby ont corser edge wi matchstix fort posts. these were stuck to flags wi tar balls. Another saying was its ot enough to fry an egg ont flags.The expression sam also meant to hold something, like"ere sam od o this will thi whilst a go get t'ammer.

Bramley4woods · Post by **Bramley4woods** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 5:28 pm

arry awk wrote: Hi Jonesy, and welcome to thee an'all!Yes, the word 'Side' or 'siden up' the washed plates and cutleryafter a meal, meant stacking them on t'SIDEboard,or dresser. AMuch used phrase on my dad's side (!) of the family. Mum of coursedidn't use the word as she was from Salford of Irish parents!Another derivative was to 'Sam' your tools up, meaning to put them away in their proper place! (never worked that one out!)cheersArry In a Thrift shop I once worked in, a visiting sales rep had spread all his brochures out all over the counter. The manageress came in and told him in no uncertain terms to "Sam your papers up lad !" Old English : samnian (German "Sammeln", Dutch "Verzamelen")(1) to collect, assemble, bring together, gather;(2) to draw together, join, unite

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 7:39 pm

I am not quite sure whether this is dialect or not.Being a Lancastrain I miss being able to get Steak pudding or Steak and Kidney pudding and chips from a chippy.For reasons presumably to do with preferences most of Yorkshire seems to be a desert for finding chippies selling them apart from places abutting Lancashire such as Holmfirth or Todmorden (the latter of which of course used to belong there) or Derbyshire.I have never found anywhere locally in Leeds with them .Now, one chippy here in Wakefield started selling Steak Puddings very briefly undr the headine "Lancashire Rag Puddings". I had never heard them called Rag Puddings anywhere and wonder if it is a local West Yorkshire term?and if anyone knows somewhere local with them I would be interested to know<G>, though I can get Hollands (the best IMHO) frozen from Morrisons.Just to prove I do like Yorkshire stuff as well <G>, I used to love Hammonds "Yorkshire Relish" sauce , alas now no longer being made!

Bramley4woods · Post by **Bramley4woods** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 8:33 pm

Steve Jones wrote: I am not quite sure whether this is dialect or not.Being a Lancastrain I miss being able to get Steak pudding or Steak and Kidney pudding and chips from a chippy.For reasons presumably to do with preferences most of Yorkshire seems to be a desert for finding chippies selling them apart from places abutting Lancashire such as Holmfirth or Todmorden (the latter of which of course used to belong there) or Derbyshire.I have never found anywhere locally in Leeds with them .Now, one chippy here in Wakefield started selling Steak Puddings very briefly undr the headine "Lancashire Rag Puddings". I had never heard them called Rag Puddings anywhere and wonder if it is a local West Yorkshire term?and if anyone knows somewhere local with them I would be interested to know<G>, though I can get Hollands (the best IMHO) frozen from Morrisons.Just to prove I do like Yorkshire stuff as well <G>, I used to love Hammonds "Yorkshire Relish" sauce , alas now no longer being made! I was a student in Salford and my landlady had worked in a chippy that sold them. I suspect before freezers and even fridges maybe they were delivered fresh on a daily basis to chippies in Lancashire and the distribution system didn't/couldn't extend as far as Yorkshire. If you notice we don't have UCP tripe shops either ;-)Never heard the term (Rag puddings), can't help.However as regards Yorkshire Relish the stuff is still available, it is made by Chivers in the Republic of Ireland where you will find it sold by supermarkets such as TESCO under the YR brand. It's the same stuff, very similar label. I've got bottles of it from the last visit I made.http://www.chivers.ie/brands/YRSauce.aspYou might find an online supplier who will ship you a case.It was of course originally made by Hammonds pickle works on Sovereign Street, Leeds before the area got yuppyfied, (Just this week it's gotten wateryfied) !Presumably Chivers Ireland obtained the licence to make and sell it in the Republic of Ireland under the YR brand in the dim and distant past before the EU and still have it.

Bramley4woods · Post by **Bramley4woods** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 8:52 pm

Bramley4woods wrote: It was of course originally made by Hammonds pickle works on Sovereign Street, Leeds before the area got yuppyfied, (Just this week it's gotten wateryfied) !Presumably Chivers Ireland obtained the licence to make and sell it in the Republic of Ireland under the YR brand in the dim and distant past before the EU and still have it. Sorry to follow up to own post. Minor correction.The pickle works on Sovereign Street was of course originally "Goodall & Backhouse" subsequently bought by Hammonds of "Chop Sauce" fame, who discontinued production soon after.

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:12 pm

Bramley4woods wrote: arry awk wrote: Old English : samnian (German "Sammeln", Dutch "Verzamelen")(1) to collect, assemble, bring together, gather;(2) to draw together, join, unite That's brilliant. I love to trace dialect words' sources in other languages.